Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

Not with you soon, and you are so wrong, there is God and there are false Gods

I have posted on the God and war thread.

I meant I was digressing pOGS
Soon those kind of arguments are the ones that leave us atheists, agnostics and humanists utterly and completely baffled.
Presume your argument also covers eccentric people with gun collections in the USA who slaughter innocent people near family planning clinics. God's will, so why bother trying to change the laws that allow unstable people to accumulate an armoury of weaponry.
Seem to remember Christ preached non-violence as opposed to the Old Testament "eye for an eye".

JessM, sadly it is an argument which has turned so many away from having a faith

JessM. If you are happy to discuss this on this thread, then that is all right by me.
I will be back later.

Ab. Again, it is God's choice who becomes a Christian. It is a narrow door.

God's will, so why bother trying to change the laws that allow unstable people to accumulate an armoury of weaponry.

God doesnt intervene in what humans do as much as most Christians would like him to. By a long way. It is a question that I think a lot of Christians would be interested in in Heaven some day.

Here's an article giving figures of available aircraft, if UK decides to bomb Isilo in Syria
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11715604/Heres-how-many-planes-the-Royal-Air-Force-has-available-to-fight-Isil.html
If you search for the Russian equivalent they have many more.
Personally, I would say leave it to Russia ( and France if that's what they're planning.)
As for forces on the ground, it would be like going into the mouth of the dragon.

Seem to remember Christ preached non-violence as opposed to the Old Testament "eye for an eye"

Romans chapter 12 v 9 to end. And all of Romans chpt 13 explain it quite well.

This is what I mean by taking the Bible as a whole, and not merely parts.

Soon, I thought Christians believed that God was everywhere, in which case he can be mentioned on every thread, not just the religious ones.

Why is it God's choice who becomes a Christian? I thought he wanted everyone to be one. It is surely our choice whether we are Christian or not.

Gods choice who becomes a Christian ? What rubbish, you really believe he chose you soon , he didn't chose me, he gave me free will and choice comes with free will, I chose to follow Christ .

Someone posted on Twitter that bombing Syria was a bit like bombing Crosmaglen at the height of the troubles.
I think there are interesting parallels.
Home grown terrorists were letting off car bombs and IEDs in NI and mainland Britain. They were our own home-grown terrorists (not to mention religious extremists on both sides), product of our own country's history - as are many members of ISIS.
And the mess in the Middle East is also in part a UK responsibility, where we meddled and drew national borders in the past. Piled into the Iraq war. And continued to sell arms more recently.

Did anyone ever seriously suggest bombing the iRA? No - this would never have been agreed by parliament would it? Too many civilian casualties and - well really - not ethical.
And was the situation resolved by escalating violence? No it was not.
Despite the fact that, at the time, many of us were pessimistic that the IRA and the protestant extremists would ever sit down together in the same room let alone agree to power sharing and an end to hostilities.
Blair may have messed up re. Iraq but patient diplomacy by the likes of Mo Mowlem brought peace at last to NI and mainland UK.

I don't think anyone is suggesting bombing Syria indiscriminately. The IRA didn't have he known headquarters that IS have.

the known

I suppose that's why they are coming round to the fact that 'boots on the ground' would be required. Yes, it might be easy enough to flatten the whole of the region, but no, not ethical!

Some top retiree army brass said we need boots on the ground, it will be over in two weeks, over by Christmas !

My brother's boots were on the ground in the Gulf War. This is what we are reaping from that time.
His boots were also on the ground in Aden in the 60s. He couldn't come to my wedding because he'd just been sent out there, age 19. His best friend died in Aden.
Not much gets mentioned about Yemen now.

www.caat.org.uk/media/press-releases/2015-06-10

This is why we should stop selling arms to Saudi. If we carry on making and selling arms to countries which abuse human rights, we are complicit.

Just listening to Fox - I have never heard such tosh in my life!

^What I don't understand is why our forces should have to put themselves in danger when so many Syrian men are feeing their own country for safety here or elsewhere.
I agree ginny and so did those Greek women who were shouting at them and telling them they should be ashamed of themselves. They could have joinedtheir compatriots whichever side they were on, government or 'freedom fighters'.

The Syrian men fleeing their country are not soldiers and are victims of both IS and Asaad who has been using chemical weapons on them
There are soldiers in Syria and groups of resistance fighters, all of whom would welcome recruits I am sure.

I thought I read soon's posts as saying that she would pray for everyone, even the wicked. And I think many people would agree with that, that they should pray to God to turn them from their wicked ways.

I don't think anyone is suggesting bombing Syria indiscriminately

I haven't heard that either. What I did heard that British expertise is needed because the targeting would be very precise. As far as I know, it has not been suggested that an operation such as Bush carried out in Iraq is planned - and I sincerely hope that is not the case.
More planning needs to be done with all allies about what the plan would be for Syria is this goes ahead.

Grammatical errors!! Hope ykwim

One if the daft things Liam Fox said amongst others, was that we need to bomb in order to degrade IS. So far the US alone has carried out nearly 3K air raids -we have carried out 130 in Iraq. Apparently this has not yet stopped IS except one town taken back by the Kurds. How many raids does ut take? And how will our piddly but help.

My DH was in Aden in the early 60's (he wasn't DH then!) serving in an Aircraft Carrier, ferrying troops and equipment, and as a very junior officer, commanding military protection for the evacuation. The same in Borneo, although of course we weren't told too much, and he's hardly mentioned it from that day to this. As our fathers hardly ever talked about their wartime experiences this was pretty normal for us. But I do know that he felt that he joined the armed forces of his own free will and was well aware that it could mean putting his well being, even his life on the line. Presumably our armed forces join with this knowledge as well.

rosequartz Syria is such a flipping mess. This is the country where a pro-democracy movement (to the cheers of many outside Syria) was turned on by their Government who created an unnecessary civil war. So millions were fleeing to the refugee camps to get away from that vicious onslaught, made possible by arms sold to Assad.
Various militia groups then spring up, some of them democrats and some Al Quaida backed. ISIS emerges in all this chaos.
If it was your son would you want him to get his family as far as possible from the carnage or set off back into the middle of it to volunteer in this mess?