Labour MP's harassment

That's the best bit about GN you pick up such useless interesting information Elegran and Ana

I thought only membership of the police force was open to sus scofa domesticus ? You mean they have tried to stand for Parliament?

Thank you Anya. Take note, gillybob and Anniebach!

Ana I've just checked Electoral Commision website and only humans, over 18 and British Citizens or a Citizen of a Commonwealth Country (I think I got that last criterion correct, but I might have misunderstood in my haste while looking for primate and sus scofa domesticus candidates) can stand for election to the commons.

Not sure about the Lords though?

It doesn't always follow though.

I will never forget the wonderful Dame Joan Vickers
Vickers unsuccessfully contested South Poplar at the 1945 general election and was elected Member of Parliament for Plymouth Devonport at the 1955 general election, defeating Michael Foot. She sat until the February 1974 general election when she was defeated by Labour's Dr David Owen

David Owen's success was, I believe, due in part to him being a 'local boy'.

Devonport would not be a natural Tory constituency.

Well, it would depend which party the monkey was standing for, wouldn't it?

Same as in many Tory seats, a monkey could stand and the Tories would still win

I can only comment on what I have seen and experienced myself Eloethen although I do agree that this kind of activity is probably rife in all areas, where there are "safe seats". My town has been Labour controlled forever. There is a very high percentage of elderly people most of whom worked in and around heavy industry. and are stuck in a kind of time warp. The Labour party was the only party who looked after their interest and need do nothing at all to ensure their vote. Infact I have said on many occasions a monkey could stand for the Labour party in my town and get elected.

I was being unnecessarily picky because you were, bags. If you do not want your father's views being mentioned by others, do not mention them yourself. Then nobody can get the wrong end of the stick.

You say that since you were seventeen others say you have a way with words, and therefore choose exactly the word you want to use. In which case you should know that there is a vast difference in meaning between those two words. Otherwise it's all Alice in Wonderland.

I have just listened to Jeremy Corbyn on Jeremy Vine on Tuesday 1st December. It is well worth listening to whatever your political persuasion. I will say no more.

Thanks rq.

soon if you want to find the exact words JBC spoke on the Jeremy Vine programme, you may be able to find them on the BBC website, Jeremy Vine programme; I think that sometimes you can listen to past programmes or interviews.

The words as written on here could be taken in more than one way - as I said above about politicians who use words in a manipulative fashion. A gentle reminder from a leader concerned about any future backlash they may receive, a warning or a thinly veiled threat from the leadership.
What you may call 'clever' soon

[I think I too googled no hiding place Jeremy Corbyn, originally, as no hiding place didnt bring up much]

I am a bit aghast at the biased reporting I have found on the "no hiding place" issue.
Perhaps all the media which included the Guardian[and going by on here, I therefore thought what I was discovering was fine, because the Guardian, which is loved by many posters on here], didnt have the full words? Though I find that hard to believe.

How can ordinary people find the real words[which as you say, are also reported quite variedly, so who knows the absolute precise words], when so many media outlets and commentators reported that quite easy journalism, so badly and inaccurately?

Also, as you say, even the "no hiding place on whipping" words vary slightly too.
I am really unimpressed.

Today, for my own sake, I will see which media outlets appear to have the best reporting on this.

I shall end my part in this thread on the same theme on which I started it (talk of Tony Benn turning inhis grave because of Hilary Benn's speech on airstrikes in Syria) by quoting something Tony Benn said to the person who once suggested he might be a little ashamed of his son's 'right wing' attitude to politics in comparison to Tony himself: "Never disrespect my family again."

dj said: "What's the difference between think and wonder, bags?"

I answer: Sometimes not a lot, sometimes quite a lot. It depends on context, as do the meanings of many words and phrases. See next paragraph. I think you could have worked that out yourself. Think/wonder was not the pertinent part, i.e. the part that conveyed the linguistic mood. I've explained what did that already.

I think (I do not wonder in this instance, I think) your comments about my comments are unnecessarily picky, dj. I expressed my anger at an unnecessary and stupid assumption about my father's thoughts, by someone who never knew him, in a perfectly clear way. The person it was directed at said she thought the language I used was 'foul'. I thought any foulness in the exchange lay in her stupid assumption, with its inherent nastiness, about my father. it was probably intended as an indirect dig at me too though I didn't care about that. I expect that sort of crap from the person who did it.

Have we grilled this to death yet?

This is another twist to the death threats stories.

evolvepolitics.com/tory-mp-should-resign-after-faking-death-threat-email-from-constituent/

Should she resign?

Jeremy Corbyn made his comments about 'no hiding place' on the Jeremy Vine programme on Radio 2 soontobe. It was reported, amongst other places, here:

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/623381/Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-MPs-Syria-airstrikes-vote-ISIS-Islamic-State

If you google 'Jeremy Corbyn no hiding place' or similar you will find various links and a lot of very biased reporting, but if you read the words he is said to have used (and they do vary slightly) it is very clear that he was saying his party MPs would have a free vote (unlike Conservative MPs) and would therefore not be able to hide behind a whipping arrangement. In my view any other interpretation reflects the bias of the person making it.

There is still a huge need for the "old fashioned" Labour Party. Where are the politicians with vision and ambition who recognised that to make a country great in the real sense its people must be valued and nurtured. Despite all the financial challenges and opposition, they pushed through a revolutionary plan to bring affordable health care to everyone and in subsequent years made higher education more accessible through the introduction of the Open University.

gillybob There were, and no doubt still are, local councillors and MPs who cared more for themselves than for the people they were supposed to represent. I don't think they are peculiar to the Labour Party. I am sure there are also local councillors and MPs who are committed to improving the lives of the people they represent but perhaps, when they become too comfortable in "safe" seats, they lose their drive and become complacent. The electorate needs to become more engaged and hold them to account.

Cameron isnt interesting. People know where he stands, what his reactions are going to be, and where he is roughly going.

Corbyn is all over the place.

When I googled "no hiding place"[because that is all I have seen on here], none of the newspapers and discussions had "no hiding place on whipping", and that included the Guardian.

Now I have googled "no hiding place on whipping", variations of that theme pop up[I think, too tired to go through it all properly now.

Google really isnt very helpful sometimes.
Also, naughty of so many newspapers and comments/discussions and headlines to chop it off to "no hiding place".

But surely MPs would have known the full quote?

But maybe no hiding place on whipping is still bad for them[not sure as dont know what it means].

Listening to the paper review, they are obsessed with Corbyn , both BBC and SKY. After twenty five minutes they have spoken of Cameron, approx two minutes

The vast majority of party members are opposed to war in Syria, the majority of Labour MPs are opposed to war in Syria. I hope every MP will recognise there is no hiding place on whipping; you have got to make up your own mind."

Where did you find that to, nightowl?

I googled several places, and couldnt find his exact words anywhere. Just many newspaper comments and discussion.

What does no hiding place on whipping mean?

Good quote, nightowl. Puts it in perspective. Corbyn did not threaten MPs. He implied it would be up to their consciences.

Is anyone worried about the fact that Corbyn has had death threats?

stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/were-mps-bullied-by-the-anti-war-movement-before-they-voted-on-bombing-syria