Labour MP's harassment

Annie you know full well that us Labour Party Members are a tiny part of the voting public (about 1%)
Anya I hadn't realised that it was as low as 1%; certainly my family members who always vote Labour have been very upset at the election of Corbyn.

People talk about returning to the 'roots' of the party. The Labour Party grew out of the poverty and injustices that the working classes genuinely suffered. Children starving and cold, whole families homeless, factory owners who cared not a jot for their workforce, no decent education system, no health care, and so on.
That is why my DF, and a lot of my family still are, were staunch Labour but I know that my DF would be appalled at the election of Corbyn.

He doesn't have to be replaced by a Blairite. DF wouldn't have approved of Blair either, and neither do my family members, they loathe him as much as I do.
Miliband was not the answer either.

(ps I always thought it was spelt buggar, until I was enlightened on GN, not that I would ever use such a word myself )

was not were in 2nd para
Typo!!

gillybob
It is sad to see that, whatever party or walk of life really, there are always those with their 'snouts in the trough'.
Snouts in the trough funded by public money.

I have found the thread - Should GB be a world power - I don't do victim rosesarered , I am no victim,

I made an awful error for which I apologise Anya, it was not you it was Alea.

Please accept my apology , I cannot unsay what I said , wish I could, but I sincerely apologise , feel even worse because of the kindness you showed me when my dog was so very ill, this puzzled me more, how someone who could be so kind could be so unpleasant . You were kind and you were not unpleasant. I am very sorry

Annie

Some of our user names are very similar.
People often confuse me with someone else

Rosequartz , I am guilty, I have confused you with rosesarered, only the name not the tone of the posts

There is only one Anniebach

rosequartz , if I had made up a name I would have forgotten it within 24 hours , just as well only one Anniebach , one putting foot in it is enough

Oh dear, what a mess of confusion, accusation and regret. Surely there are more important things to worry about than some kind of spat of gransnet.

I've just heard Hilary Benn's contribution to the debate yesterday, played in full on radio 4 's news between 5 and 6 pm. HB voted for bombing, I would have voted against, as did my local (Labour) MP. I listened to much of the debate yesterday (I'd switched off by the time HB spoke) and was impressed by the way most contributors spoke. Which ever side they were supporting, my impression was that MP's had researched, read, consulted constituents, agonised about the significance of their vote.

I did see Stella Creasey leave the debate and later read the reason why. I noticed on my MP's Facebook page that a number of people had posted images of dead children/bombed cities in Syria as their way of encouraging him to vote NO. I'd had an email discussion with him earlier this week and so knew which way he'd planned to go and was relieved. Despite this, I didn't find it easy to come down on NO. Daesh throw gay men off buildings, they enslave women and girls (and I'm sure boys though they never get a mention) into sexual slavery. They do need to be stopped, no doubt in my mind about that.

I can't stop my rant without reference to John MacDonald who made a grudging praise of HB but then compared his speech to the one Blair made when taking the country into the Iraq war. I know HB supported those wars but I don't see him as the devil incarnate

My knowledge of twitter is zero. When people use it do their names come up or can they choose a user name?

iam64

I think what John McDonnell said is what they call 'damning with faint praise'

I think HB could have swayed my opinion if I had had to vote. Thank goodness I didn't.

What is happening to Stella Creasey and others is so unpleasant and brings to mind a paradox, a contradiction in terms: aggressive pacifist.
That is something I have thought about a lot today (when I was in a place of beauty and peace) - why are people who profess to be pacifists so aggressive to those who have a differing opinion?

All I know about twitter is that Stephen Fry uses it a lot.
A good reason to stay away imo

I follow Fry, I think that!s the term, my grandson joined me Jo on twitter, I had to give some names, big struggle, settled for Fry, Derek the weatherman and BBC Wales . Have never signed in, no idea what my password is, I get an e'mail with a link to Fry but not daily .

Some pacifists can get angry. I do, I say I am a pacifist because I am against all violence , be it a slap or a gun, death penalty , bullying, anything which hurts man or beast , I can get angry but could never, ever threaten anyone or deliberately cause hurt or harm

Pacifists are human too

I am sure, but some of the things that have happened have been quite nasty. Not physical, but psychological harm perhaps.

Ooh, didn't know I could follow Derek the weatherman on twitter.
I don't want to join though.
I sometimes follow Richard Angwin on Al Jazeera, he used to be the weatherman for the West.

Aren't sarcasm and scathing personal comments 'harmful' at all then?

I suppose one is supposed to chant 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me'

Although particularly scathing attacks could be remembered for years .....

Exactly. It's the same for posts on GN as well...

You develop a thick skin on here ...

Or not

Some do. Some seem to be happy to dish it out but can't take it.

That's all I'm saying on this thread.

www.thecanary.co/2015/12/03/bllocks-pro-war-labour-mp-responds-to-email-from-concerned-constituent-with-contempt/

For a bit of balance.

I wasn't going to post on this thread because I could not see why it had been started. But what the heck.

These people are not only vicious but stupid also. They have provided the right wing press with an opportunity to discredit the anti-war movement, which is inevitable but unjustified because I am sure the vast majority in the "no" camp would not support their behaviour. Please don't mistake these people for "pacifists" - their actions demonstrate they most certainly are not.

Having said that, there has been plenty of accusations of whips applying improper pressure on MPs, to the point of threatening them with exposure of their illegal or scandalous behaviour or of their careers being ruined. That is a more subtle and less visible form of bullying but probably a good deal more effective one.

Well that was fun, I know threads meander but hells bells what a bloody fuss over nothing.

I guess some of you have had your notifications from Corbyn and Watson by now telling Labour members politics must be more civil and respectful. I think that says it all.

There is a repeated mantra that the MP's in Parliament MUST take notice of/do as they ARE TOLD by their Labour members.

Why?

The MP's in parliament were elected by their constituents in greater numbers than the actual party members . This harassment did not start after they voted last night, it has been going on since Corbyn entered the Leadership contest. It is fair to say as time has past the level of intimidation has escalated and the manner of intimidation has reached a level of hatred /vileness .

Chris Bryant mentioned the intimidation the Labour MP's are being subjected to in tParliament today. Labour are calling for a Code of Conduct and security for MP's.

Labour are in a mess and I agree with the comments being aired Labour is in the process of returning to the dark days of the 70's/80's Militant Tendency/Hatton days . They were kicked out and the Labour Party was all the better for it but you can see and hear the same attitude has crept back into the party with the likes of Left Unity and Momentum. Half of them are not even Labour members but they are stirring the shit, and if Labour don't take care history will repeat itself.

What part did fear and intimidation play into influencing Labour MP's, particularly those younger ones at the start if their career, into voting 'No' I wonder?Fear of de-selection from Corbyn's coterie.

I think a lot of people are thinking along those lines POGS Neil Kinnoch managed to get those people out all that time ago, and now here they are , back again, large as life and twice as natural nasty.