Labour MP's harassment

soon, perhaps you would like to give the names of the abusers to the police,

There have always been bullies everywhere and it is up to each individual to stand their ground. No matter what colour rosette they are wearing. Do not make excuses for any of them. Of recent times I have seen much of George Orwell's predictions in Animal Farm and 1984 come true even as we all derided him as writing a load of rubbish. What I see happening on the political scene is Stalinist tendencies complete with purges and Red Guards. Some will not see it until it is their turn to be at the receiving end. Remember what was said about the Nazi's. They came for the Jews, but I was OK They came for Communists, and I was still OK and so on. Then they came for me. Who was there left to care?

It's the 1984 prediction about yesterday's friends becoming today's enemies that always strikes me Jackthelad, our relationship with Saddam Hussein to the letter. Then there is the proposed bombing of Assad's troops in support of the rebels. Now we are bombing IS. I wonder if at some point we will be supporting IS? I know it seems impossible now, but really given our shifting alliances I wouldn't rule it out completely.

Is it not too easy to dismiss the history of the beginnings of revolutions , we speak of communism but forget the birth, when ever there has been gross injustice people eventually fight back . The France had no problem with public beheadings

And no, I do not support Stalinism

Is a person anti Semitic because they criticise Israel for their treatment of Palestine?

I am critical of America's gun laws , they claim it is their right to be armed yet so many gun killings of Americans by Americans , this does not make me anti American

It Is always the angle taken when anyone criticises Israel. Of course it isn't anti-semetic. There is also the slur of "being a friend of terrorists" best answered I think by Tony Benn who said he was the best of friends with a terrorist- his name?- Nelson Mandela! TB also said someone called a terrorist today will be a freedom fighter tomorrow. (And the state of Israel was formed by terrorists)

ab neither you nor I, bit especially not you since you didn't know him at all, have any right to suppose anything about what my father thought of Keir Hardy.

Yes, he did know about the history of the Labour Party and he was an active member of it all his adult life. He received an award for his services to the Labour Party, in a Tory stronghold no less.

But you can piss off with your 'supposing' about my dad. Bloody cheek.

So true trisher, but few seem to view it this way . I do wonder how many have over the years demonstrated against injustice , I think few because they seem unaware there are people who attatch themselves not because they care about the cause , they just want to cause trouble. What has been written on twitter has been blamed on pacifists,anti war protestors,left wing supporters, yet not one person has been named

thatbags, you voiced your fathers political views to support your views, perhaps best not to yes?

I do believe if there were a gang of 4 today, Williams, Owen, Rodgers etc there might be a stampede of Labour MP's joining? I would vote for them, we are crying out for a centre party, the Libs are all over the place.
Annie yes there are hardline troublemakers, what to do though? I find that depressing and I don't march, protest, get off my bottom, I can only imagine the frustration others who do put the effort in feel. And it alienates, yet again, all those who might care. I couldn't understand why the two young lads from Belfast were targeted in the last protest about the "gentrification" of London. They were running a small business, no one had to use their cafe, they were employing others. Their main crime amongst the protesters seemed to be they were a couple of "hipsters." The pictures of protesters wearing pigs heads I find sinister, intimidating. All depressing and a backward step from history.

We are perfectly entitled to quote whomever we choose to support our views ab.
That doesn't entitle you to make impertinent assumptions about other posters' family members.

Who exactly are these people who have identified themselves as "pacifists" but who "let their own dogs of war loose on people who don't share their views"?

As to Corbyn being anti-Semitic, in September he addressed a meeting of the Labour Friends of Israel and said "the only way forward is one of peace, negotiation, dialogues and a recognition of the right of all the people in the region". It is a well worn strategy to call everyone who is against what is happening to the Palestinians an "anti-Semite". After all, there are several Jewish organisations which also campaign against Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.

Ab. You do not condone the sending of pictures to those Labour MPS who voted for the bombing.
Do you refuse to condone those who send abuse on twitter as well?

Thank you, jane. Exactly. Your comment was extremely impudent, ab. And I did not 'voice' my father's political views. I wondered, based on my knowledge of him (you have no knowledge of him) what they might be if he were alive today. You then extrapolated in a ridiculous manner because you simply cannot infer what you impudently 'supposed' from what I said. Your prejudices do you no credit.

I can't find this doubly impudent post of ab's. Which page is it on?

suppose he would have classed Keir Hardy a militant
You can't suppose anything about anyone's father except one you know well; that is why it is wrong, too, to suppose that Tony Benn will be 'turning in his grave'.

My DM, as I have said before, was a staunch Socialist and Trade Unionist but I know he would have had no truck with some of the extreme militants and IRA sympathisers.
I know because he was my father, not because of supposition.

they're so aggressive and hateful
I presume that those posts will be by the pacifists then

Did we think that George Orwell's Animal Farm was a 'load of rubbish' though jackthelad? Or did we nod sagely and think that he had got it just right? Let's get rid of the wicked masters and everyone will be equal, but they end up with the one rule:

All Animals Are Equal / But Some Are More Equal Than Others.

soon, I have said all abuse is wrong , all I question about the abuse on twitter is you and some others claim to know the political allegiances of those who write them, unless you can name the people so they can be checked is this fair?

If people posted abuse against atheists on twitter would it be acceptable for anyone to claim the abuse is written by Christians ?

Rosequartz, what and who is an IRA sympathiser?

I know because he was my father
And because most of the discussions around the dinner table were political .....

What? The pigs in animal farm??

Who? McDonnell?

soon, sorry I forgot to answer your first question, I do not condemn anyone who sent a photograph of a person killed by a bomb to an MP who voted for bombing

So far they have bombed oil fields. Are you suggesting that ISIL have put children as human shields around the oil fields?
Another despicable act if so.

I think the MPs voted as their conviction and conscience dictated and they are perfectly aware of the dreadful consequences of war which we have been seeing for over four years now; they don't need more photographs sent to them to remind them. There seemed to be no end to this and perhaps they thought this would hasten the end and bring new beginnings to Syria.

Interesting to know that Ken Clarke abstained; I would have done so and I am sure he did so after a great deal of thought.

I didn't notice that your post was addressed to soon, I am not replying on her behalf as I have no idea what her reply would be