Labour MP's harassment

thatbags, saying your father would be turning in his grave meant you wondered what his views would be and not that you knew what they would be ?

In my post of 12.46, I am talking about the action, not who sent or did it. I also use the word condone which is a different word to condemn. [can hardly believe I am talking about definitions of words, but the words are quite different].
After all said and done though, I think you have answered my question.

soon, I will not condemn an action I think is wrong but not condemn the person who was responsible .

soontobe I expect we all condemn (I assume you mean condemn) people who send abusive, threatening and vile communications. It is insulting to imply otherwise.

This sort of abuse and intimidation has been received by those on both sides of the issue and underhand tactics are not confined to one side either. Lucy Allan, Conservative MP for Telford, copied the text of an e-mail she had received from a constituent urging her not to vote for air strikes. She decided to add "Unless you die" and re-posted it as an example of the sort of threats she was getting.

soon yes I think we know the difference between condemn and condone but you seem not to in your post at 12.46!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/syria-air-strikes-lib-dem-activists-may-quit-after-tim-farron-backs-raf-attacks-a6761846.html

Seems like there are going to be a few Lib Dems joining the Labour Party.
I wonder why it took so long.

I used the word condone and meant condone. Ab changed it to condemn. Not sure if she meant to or not.

Eloethan, I expect that you think that the sending of pictures is not on, but that is not the same of another poster.

It has been suggested that the Russians are deliberately bombing civilian areas in order to decrease morale. I hope it's not true but rather suspect that it might be.

It is naïve to think that our role is that of noble interventionists rescuing helpless Syrian victims who will be grateful. I think many Syrians will end up hating us even more than they do already.

The example of the last two World Wars demonstrates that politicians tend to put expediency over moral and humane considerations when it comes to deciding how to act in a war situation.

Hell bells,

soon I do not condone abuse - I do condemn abuse

ab asks: thatbags, saying your father would be turning in his grave meant you wondered what his views would be and not that you knew what they would be ?

I answer: Yes.

And I said it "made me think he would if...". That puts it in the subjunctive mood, i.e. an uncertain wondering, as I said somewhere along the way while telling you to piss off with your presumptions.

As I've said before on discussions on GN, if is a VERY IMPORTANT WORD.

Yes thatbag, if can be important, thankfully foul/vulgar language isn't and is used by very few

Well, I reckon that puts me in the erudite few who do then . Personally, I don't regard piss off as foul. Vulgar, as in common, yes, but then I am of common stock.

Obviously you don't regard it as foul language thatbag or you wouldn't use it, I do consider it foul language so wouldn't use it I do hear it on building sites so it doesn't shock me

The problem on this forum, or any for that matter, is that we all come from different areas, and words have slightly or even more than that, different meanings in different areas.

Personally I say that the sending of photos comes under the heading of abuse.

Just read the article in the link provided ( something I rarely do) and think as others, it's spot on! I'm afraid that there is a bit of denying going on in this thread, as in denying there is no problem with what Momentum, or similar groups are doing and saying and Corbyn himself with his sinister 'no hiding place' speech. Nobody should be so blind as to think there is nothing wrong EVER with their own political party. That kind of blindness smacks of the zealot.

Nothing sinister in saying there is no hiding place from the consequences of bombing . Surely you don't think it means - don't try to hide or deny you voted to bomb? impossible for any MP to hide how they voted ,

If one votes for bombing one has to accept one may be responsible for the deaths of innocent people

You might not use words or expressions you regard as foul when angry, ab, but I think you might use terms you regard as non-foul in an equally angry way if I were to make a stupid supposition about someone you admired as much as I admire my dad. My purpose in using piss off was to make my anger perfectly clear and unambiguous. I believe I succeeded.

Language is a wonderful thing

If you think so thatbag, I think anger can be expressed without vulgarity , you don't, your choice ,

Re your last comment, ab, I agree about "accepting one may be responsible for..." However, I think when the aim of one's attack (dropping targetted bombs in this instance) is to obliterate people who deliberately kill, torture and maim innocent people (as is that of Daesh), it makes all the difference.

I don't think Corbyn and others see that difference. I heard someone say recently that one can only be a pacifist in a society where someone else will deal with the fascists.

No, you misunderstood me, ab. Again. I did not say that I thought anger could not be expressed without vulgar language. I only said I chose, in this particular instance, to use what you call foul language, i.e. the expression piss off. This doesn't mean I always use foul language when expressing anger.

Assumptions and erroneous suppositions again!

Based on your prejudices.

I didn't say you always use foul language thatbag, I do think it comes naturally to you which I think is a pity

You are probably the only person in the world who thinks foul language comes naturally to me, ab, and given that you know me so little, that's very amusing. Thank you for that.

Bags, I still do not understand what you meant by saying your father would be turning in his grave. Why would he be doing that?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-allies-accuse-mps-of-spreading-lies-about-labour-leaders-health-a6762041.html

Does this count as Labour MP's harassment?

Actually, it's a real compliment. Many people have said, since I was seventeen, that language comes easily to me, meaning I can express myself clearly (most of the time), I've always supposed. (I take it you did 'get' my anger about your suppositions about my dad? You appear to misunderstand so much I can't feel sure about that). It doesn't feel easy to me. I really think about what I say and write. There is purpose in my diction. You cannot know how flattered I am by your accolade, ab. [happy me emoji] And thank you again