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Trump - just not fringe or funny anymore !?!

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granjura Wed 09-Dec-15 12:21:29

Anyone else seriously concerned at the rise of Trump in the USA? It seems that the more extreme, the more crazy, the more fascist he and his 'solutions' become- the more his ratings go up. You would have thought that people would begin to think he is a loose and dangerous canon- but no- they love him all the more.

My mother was studying German at Munich University in 1933- and this is exactly what she described.

And we can't just say 'this is the USA' and it has little to do with us. We have no vote of course- but we certainly live in the same crazy world.

youtu.be/_rMsgmaBV8g

Monthy Python- they knew how to recognize a witch- but how on earth do you recognize a 'Muslim' ???

durhamjen Thu 10-Dec-15 22:23:50

Sorry, wilma. I hadn't noticed.

Zoe Williams' response about London's no-go areas.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/09/donald-trump-london-radical-city-republican-candidate

durhamjen Thu 10-Dec-15 22:44:17

We are not forgetting at all, but the law says that anyone who stirs up racial hatred or incites violence should not be allowed in this country.

I actually feel sorry for republicans. Although he has said he might stand as an independent.

Anniebach Thu 10-Dec-15 22:59:46

Then Greenockgran, you have no problem with anyone coming here and having freedom of speech no matter how hate filled their speech is ?

Greenockgran Thu 10-Dec-15 23:00:01

Can you quote that law? How does it work for those who enter our country with hatred for the west? That law should surely apply to those who stir up racial hatred for UK residents and make it their mission to use our laws to change our culture.

Greenockgran Thu 10-Dec-15 23:01:25

Anniebach, I welcome all viepoints. X.

Anniebach Thu 10-Dec-15 23:05:56

I cannot Greenockgran, do we want to go back to the days of Gerald Nabarro - sorry I have forgotten the correct spelling of this mans surename

rosesarered Thu 10-Dec-15 23:06:00

He can come here to visit, no law against that , if he did stir up racial hatred or incite violence ( doubt it) then he would be asked to leave. I don't go along with all this talk of banning or signing epetitions ( that won't do anything anyway.)

Greenockgran Thu 10-Dec-15 23:07:22

I also apologise for my ipad spelling mistakes. I did well with that red and cream spelling book.

Anniebach Thu 10-Dec-15 23:08:02

The Home Secretary has banned people from coming to this country

rosesarered Thu 10-Dec-15 23:08:51

We all make iPad mistakes, sometimes it's hilarious.tchgrin

Anniebach Thu 10-Dec-15 23:10:09

Think I can out misspell you Greenockgran grin

rosesarered Thu 10-Dec-15 23:11:09

If he was coming here to do rabble rousing speeches, the the Home Secretary could ban him, or anyone else.He only comes over on business ventures anyway.

rosesarered Thu 10-Dec-15 23:12:08

Or perhaps to see his British toupee makers?

rosesarered Thu 10-Dec-15 23:12:44

And they must have a sense of humour, those wig guys!

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 10-Dec-15 23:14:22

greenockgran I am not forgetting what your father fought for when it comes to freedom of speech. But we don't have complete freedom of speech in this country, in fact very few countries do. Each country has its own freedom of speech limitations and I believe if Donald Trump tries to enter the UK, he should join the list of people this country has banned because of their views could be a threat to public security if he was allowed to voice his views in this country.

In my opinion Donald Trump has made statements in the US which incite both religious and racial hatred and if he was permitted to enter the UK and voice his beliefs here, those beliefs would fall into a number of categories of exceptions to this country's freedom of speech legislation.

Ana Thu 10-Dec-15 23:15:24

I agree with those who say it's ridiculous to try to ban him from entering the UK.

The Home Secretary has only banned those whose sole purpose was to come here to incite or preach hatred and/or misogyny.

Joelsnan Thu 10-Dec-15 23:18:15

I listened to Donald Trumps speech. What I understood from it was that he wanted to ban any more Muslims entering the USA until they could get a handle on why they want to go there and murder them and why they go there when many hate everything American. It does appear that ISIS and the like do blame everything on USA and the west whilst they kill millions of their own! Whether this ban would be feasible is highly doubtful.
However...
Muslim countries ban Jews from entering their countries, Even a non Jew should not have an Israeli stamp in their passport or they will be denied entry. these countriest also monitor the number Muslim sects entering their countries so that the majority sect is not overwhelmed (as is close to happening in Bahrain and Yemen).
I find the anti freedom of speech rhetoric concerning.

Greenockgran Thu 10-Dec-15 23:20:44

If you can buy a Scottish golf course, and still look sh*t in a wig, no wonder he has been told to go away as as business ambassador. Doh! I need to go to bed?.

Anniebach Thu 10-Dec-15 23:36:18

I think as you do Wilma,

I hope his wig doesn't have a made in Britain tag sewn in

ajanela Thu 10-Dec-15 23:38:31

A very nice kind English friend went to live in USA has become an obsessive Trump supporter, found religion, a racist and muslin hater. I fear that Trump could get elected and then I would fear for the world.

Ana Thu 10-Dec-15 23:50:47

If that's a wig, it's certainly not British-made!

I thought it was just an elaborate comb-over...tchconfused

rosequartz Thu 10-Dec-15 23:55:58

Those who wish to ban his point of view, are forgetting the right of freedom of speech that my father fought for.

Greenockgran you have a very valid point there.
Perhaps we should just let him come and make an idiot of himself.

rosequartz Thu 10-Dec-15 23:56:43

I thought it was just an elaborate comb-over
I'm sure it's real, which makes it even more frightening grin

rosequartz Thu 10-Dec-15 23:58:12

if he was permitted to enter the UK and voice his beliefs here, those beliefs would fall into a number of categories of exceptions to this country's freedom of speech legislation.
wilma in that case, could he be arrested?
That could be very interesting indeed.

durhamjen Fri 11-Dec-15 00:03:04

I wondered about that earlier, roseq. Citizen's arrest, it would have to be.
I think there would be a queue.