David Cameron to give a statement to the house tomorrow

Get off the thread, then.
You've obviously been reading it to get that far.

One change in the Budget does not make a Budget a failure, not at all.It means one change, exactly that.In a months time or less this will all be old water under the bridge.Then we have the referendum to think about.

Politics moves on at a tremendous rate.

I think it's the stuff of fantasy that this budget fiasco will depose the government, and that GO will be forced to resign.

But it gives those of a leftist bent something to cackle about, so have fun!

Yes, a lot of very excited wishful thinking.

Still no support for Osbourn , with the exception of Rosesarered who said it was a good budget

how many spellings of the Chancellors name are there, we have had many today and all different!
I must say in my defence I have NO interest in Corbyn's vest ( yuk.)

A budget is never all good or all bad, (like anything else) to think differently from that is childish black and white blinkered thinking.

Roses you really must be the greatest cheerleader the Conservatives have

A budget is never all good or all bad, (like anything else) to think differently from that is childish black and white blinkered thinking.

Of course you can call people names if it makes you feel better but that will not change the fact that even if the changes to PIP were totally justifiable (which I really doubt) they were put in budget where almost exactly the same amount was taken off the disabled as was given to the wealthy. I imagine you, personally, could justify even that but you must recognise that the vast majority will find it crass and unfeeling in the least and a questionable economic move generally.

I noticed on Sky news last night that they interviewed quite a few people who said this may well be the last time they will vote Tories - the first time I have seen such crack in Conservative stalwarts so it is not just those inclined away from this government's extreme capitalism who have a problem with this budget and this Chancellor.

(By the way I certainly object to your post saying that I was un-Christian and unkind. I rather think this personal name calling is not in the spirit of Gransnet - or I hope it isn't)

Your post was unkind GG ( you yourself may be an angel.)
No budget IS all bad or good, by ANY government.
If there was a GE next week, and it was a choice between Cameron and Corbyn, the public would vote for Cameron, don't fool yourself on this.The electorate do not want any extreme left running the country, however much you may want it.

And.... Somebody must put an opposing point of view to you on this thread,
Otherwise you will all get very bored.

And.... My saying that it is black and white childish thinking is not calling 'people names.'

It rather infers that if I write unkind posts I am personally unkind roses as I am sure you are aware I do not write thoughtlessly. Please - as I do not understand what was unkind about it and would not like to repeat it - explain just why you read it as "un-Christian and unkind".

The budget made the poor poorer and the wealthy wealthier - fact.

So Rosesarered is correct, if one is wealthy it's a good budget and as risesesarered posted on the budget thread - she thinks it was a good budget

I'm far from wealthy.

Just saying.

Dear oh dear.

If there was a GE next week, and it was a choice between Cameron and Corbyn, the public would vote for Cameron, don't fool yourself on this.The electorate do not want any extreme left running the country, however much you may want it.

That is an opinion not a fact Roses and you have no idea whether or not I want the extreme left running the country. What I said in my post was about this government's extreme capitalism - I didn't mention Corbyn or a government run by him. Critical thinking rather than knee jerk reaction is always useful.

But that is what you would get if you voted for Corbyn et al..... The hard left.

Most in this thread DO want it.

I'm far from wealthy.

But, dear Roses this is not about you it is about everyone.

Of course it is dear GG but am pointing out that I am not a wealthy person looking down on the masses, just somebody who happens to think that although the Conservatives have made some mistakes, overall they are doing a good enough job.Of course you and others here will not agree because you have different aims.Others on the forum will agree with me.

That's the nature of a forum.

But that is what you would get if you voted for Corbyn et al..... The hard left.

Who said I would vote for him? I certainly haven't. I have said I like the economics they are discussing - is that what makes you think you know? I would say that huge numbers of people have believed in Keynesian economic since the 1930 and that is basically what Labour are discussing. The "new" economics of GO are, as yet unproven and appear to be falling apart at the seams currently.

If you are interested in how I would vote - and you would appear to be - I will look at what each party believes and see if my beliefs concur. I would certainly not just vote for a party because it carries a particular name and it looks to me as if quite a few of the Conservative MPs do not believe the party they are serving is the party they though would bear that name. Of course this is also true of the Labour party at the moment. This may persuade some to vote and some not too - in each case. Interesting times

(You still have told me in what way my post was unkind. As you saw fit to judge me you might be decent enough to do so.)

thought not though

My DM who has always voted Conservative is so disgusted with the budget, irrespective of any u turns or promises of no further cuts to benefits to the disabled, that she feels unable to vote for them again. OK, not earth shattering news, but multiply that around the electorate, people who are decent, work hard, pay their taxes etc., are sickened by this. People like my Mother are not activists, just quietly vote for who they think will do the best job of running the country, for the party that they think best represent their ideals, and it is an awful let down at nearly 85 to find that they do not represent your beliefs and are a nasty, selfish group of people who you do not like. It doesnt matter how many statements or explanations are issued, how many MPs stand up in the house and explain that we all misunderstood the intent and that actually there wont be any reduction in DLA/PIP payments, the trust has been broken between decent people like my Mother and the Conservative party and will never be mended. A step too far for most.
On a personal level, as rosesared said, some of the budget has been good, and DH and I will be a few pounds a week better off as a result of tax changes, but I dont want their stinking money if it is at the expense of someone else being able to afford a carer for another hour. They have seriously got it wrong.