Tax Havens

Exactly, and perhaps everyone else should hold their fire until then.

He went to Eton because his father was a wealthy business man, and until any wrongdoing is proven, it's fruitless for all to get their knickers in a twist about it.

Why was his father a wealthy businessman?
Could it be because he was a tax dodger?

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/04/07/would-you-be-proud-of-your-dad-if-hed-run-a-business-based-in-a-tax-haven/

Deserves repeating. He messed up by saying he was proud of what his dad had done. Are you his mum, roses? She lives in Berkshire.

To say until any wrongdoing is proven is just silly. If Cameron had his way, none of this would have come to light. Thank heavens for people who think ethically and responsibly.

Nope, I live in Oxfordshire djen ( as you know.) No wrongdoing by Cameron has yet been proved ( fact) and there are wealthy business men who invest in all sorts of things but are not tax dodgers. The truth will come out, but I understand why you and others 'long' for wrongdoing to come out...... Because they are Tories!
Toffs/wealthy/ etc etc therefore must be bad?
I think that fairness should be the watchword....to everyone, no matter what political party they are from, and nobody can be blamed for the sins of the Father, ( if indeed there has been any sin.)
So I repeat, his mistake has been in not being upfront about having had shares, and from nothing else.

And so to bed, it's very late.

This is what Barack Obama said, and I agree with him.

"Barack Obama, who has long bemoaned tax havens, including in the books that he wrote before he entered the White House, has found precisely the right tone this week. Making an unscheduled appearance in the briefing room, he did not downplay the problem, but instead talked it up as “huge” and “important”. There was no labouring of the distinction between tax evasion and avoidance, no pained insistence that there was nothing inherently wrong with investing offshore. Such pleading would have lost the 99% who have never had any need to shunt their money across the ocean. Instead, the president explained that the real concern was not law breaking, but rather “that a lot of this stuff is legal, not illegal”. "

The problem is that it is legal, not whether it is legal or illegal.
All the time his dad was looking for somewhere better to put his business in order to dodge UK tax, Cameron was making the law.

Why is it roses, that you want to be fair to Cameron and his dad, but not to the taxpayer who pays by PAYE, or the council tax payer who is losing his library and is having to pay more for a bedroom he doesn't have just because people like Cameron's dad tried to dodge the taxes that his money should have paid?

It might be legal, but it isn't moral?
Why do you insist on sticking up for Cameron?

I find it a bit weird that nobody seems to be following up on the other people who were named in the Panama Papers, which makes me wonder who is really behind all the publicity about Cameron. Could it be that this is a 'stab in the back' campaign?

Why is nobody picking up on this man, who was named?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/27/arron-banks-the-millionaire-hoping-to-bankroll-uk-into-brexit

My personal opinion of Cameron is that he's weak and slimey, but I've always thought that. He promises things to win votes without any long-term planning, doesn't answer questions directly and lies.

Party politics is a dirty business. I believe we have some good MPs, but democracy has been corrupted by money. The government would do well to consider abolishing or at least severely restricting ALL political donations - for its own sake. This would mean that politicians would be responsible to their constituents, not those backing them financially.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the Labour Party isn't Cameron's main enemy

twitter.com/arron_banks

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/arron-banks-ukip-takeover-reveal_uk_57067bfae4b0ad0f20cb2267

I don't really understand the rivalry between the various BREXIT groups. It seems to be more about who would be in power if they win. Much as I loathe Cameron and Osborne (and most of the Cabinet), I prefer them to the alternatives if there's a power vacuum after a BREXIT vote (a bit like Iraq).

You're probably right! Labour members apart from the odd bleat do seem to be keening very quiet!! (wonder why?!!) Oh I see dj. when it's Tony Benn it's sensible planning, approved by you! When it's Ian Cameron it's a hanging offence particularly for his son, neither of whom acted illegally! Your hypocrisy is quite astounding!!

Why do you left wingers keep on about loathing people?! I'm not wild about the labour party particularly in its present format, but I don't think I 'loathe' them! Why ask roses if she's DC's mother because she lives in Oxfordshire?! ! What sort of ridiculous question is that?! Childish is a word that comes to mind!

Funnily enough, niggly, you might be surprised if you knew more about my politics. I don't think anybody in real life would call me a left winger. Never mind!

Yes, I do loathe Cameron, Osborne and Hunt, etc. No, I don't know them personally, but I do know enough about their values from their actions to know that I loathe them. Nobody is forcing them to make the decisions they do.

What a weak response Rosesarered, my concern is Cameron is Prime Minister, may seem a small matter to you but not to many.

Niggle, you are so troubled by Tony Benns will yet you have no problem with Ian Camerons will, not possible for anyone to read because he made his will in another country , I question a will which is hidden away far more than a will made in this country.

Plus this thread is on tax havens not a married couple making their wills in the UK

Loathe what people do by all means. But never loathe a person, love them.
We are all fallible.

obieone, hate the sin but love the sinner is one of the most difficult things asked of Christians. Can one love Hitler?

Cameron was evasive over his oversea shares, if they were all above board why did he sell them a few months before the 2010 election, why didn't he declare them when he was a MP.

Can he be believed over his claims we would be better to stay in the EU , can he be trusted to tell the country the truth

Hardly a 'weak' response on my part ab simply a more polite one.
yes, Benn could do the sensible thing, but anyone else ( not Labour) does corrupt things, what a hoot.
And now a first mention of Hitler........

On the EU, it is what he personally believes, others in the Party do not, same as in all the parties.You have to make your own mind up, not believe just one politician.

Spoor attempt to divert from the topic Rosesarered. My comment on hitler was in response to hating the sin and loving the sinner , perhaps a thread on this would be of interest.

I am quite aware that people have a personal choice when voting. There are people who will read Camerons blurb and so I ask, can he be trusted

This man had those shares when he was a MP, he didn't have to declare them so chose not to. He sold them just a short time before the 2010 election, he would have been fully aware that if he were to win the election he would have to declare the shares - coincidence , I don't think so.

Cameron declared the income and paid full tax on it. This is a non-story. The fact that he got rid of the shares before the election was probably because he knew this kind of political back biting could easy flare up.

There seems to be a touch of hysteria about all this and a hint of paranoia, a bit of a non story is right, regarding Cameron selling his shares. As I and jingl and others have pointed out, tax was paid on his shares when sold, like all shares.

You don't need to be his Mother to point this fact out.

IF any wrong doing by him personally comes to light, that is a different matter.

Can ANY PM be trusted on all matters?