Hillsborough verdict

I just thought we should cover our backs in case he does get prosecuted ;-(

I feel desperately sorry for the innocent victims in the Hillsborough disaster, but every time I see Liverpool supporters wringing their hands and shouting about blame, I wonder why no-one ever mentions Heysal? It was Liverpool supporters (thugs) who broke through fences there, attacking the opposing supporters and causing the deaths of 39 people and injuring 300 others. They were to blame then, but somehow this is all brushed over. And that was one of the reasons why fences were put up to prevent fans running onto the pitch, which if they hadn't been there .....

Also, I wish people would also remember that there was another football disaster in the 80s when 56 people were burned to death at Bradford City ...... and 28 policemen received bravery awards for entering that burning stand and helping people out - including one poor policeman who ran back onto the pitch with his hair on fire - I'll certainly never forget seeing that on TV as it happened.

I believe that there must be Freemasons in both Houses of Parliament. I do know for certain of one, who is now a member of the House of Lords, and who, regrettably, must remain nameless.

Jingle, emotional hysteria? Do tell, if your child or grandchild had died then been accused of being drunk, stealing from the dead and injured you would have shrugged it off?

You have no idea what happens to families and communities when a disaster strikes, every home is grieving, then comes the suicides so more grief, divorce, alcoholism , filled up with prescription drugs , anger , fear , I assure you it is torture and stays for life

I don't think Heysel is brushed over . Not to my mind anyway. But I do think there are some in Liverpool who overdo the victim hood. I'm not talking about the families of the real victims but the almost industry of people making a living of it. Why has this gone on for two years? How can jury members be out of work for that long? The law has not helped in prolonging this.

14 people were charged with manslaughter and given prison sentences following the Hysel disaster.

The Hillsborough victims deaths were caused by people paid by the tax payer to protect life not take life

Who is making a living out of the deaths at Hillsborough Stansgran ?

Ab I could have sworn I addressed that post to a particular poster, about a post, and it definitely wasn't you.

Does it matter who you addressed such unkind remarks to Jingle? Do you only post in reply to posts directed at you?

I was not getting at the families. Just at people deliberately going along to "experience" the thing. If you read the post I made and summon up a bit of intelligence to understanding my meaning, you just *might^ get that.

I don't want to talk to you any longer ab. I find your attitude in so many things, unpleasant.

I am delighted for the families, who have persevered for so many years, and now have justice. I am an ex Liverpudlian, and I am so proud of my City

Your choice Jingle, I think joining in with people's joy is good , you don't

It's important that we don't have witch hunts, especially in these days when far too many are tried by social media and people who just like to jump on any bandwagon (marching on paediatricians' houses, anyone?). There are vast numbers of honourable and decent cops out there, doing a very difficult and unenviable job. I heard an interview recently with a female police officer haunted ever since Hillsborough by the fact that she just couldn't save the victim she desperately tried to resuscitate. The verdict apportions blame to the ambulance service too (not quick enough to declare a disaster, so lives were lost). Which heads should roll there, or is it accepted that mistakes were made, but not maliciously?

A good post Maggiemb

Perhaps mistakes were made , no one is infalable but are lies and cover ups a mistakes ?

If a doctor makes a mistake and someone dies is it just said oops sorry, a mistake

I would never support a witch hunt but I don't see a quest for justice as a witch hunt

Sharing others' joy ab? Ha! Not something I would equate you with. Not in any sincere kind of way.

Lies and cover ups no, they're disgraceful and in no way acceptable, but bad, panicked decisions made in the heat of thlose terrible moments should perhaps be judged more in the light of the fact that none of us is infallible. We've all made mistakes at work, sometimes serious ones. I'm just so grateful that by the nature of my job, none of mine were ever going to cause real harm to another human being. The judgement also criticised the set up at the stadium, its safety certificate, inadequate turnstiles, a maximum capacity set way too high, all things that had been flagged up and known about before the disaster happened.

Yes I heard the verdicts, doesn't detract from the role of the police , the Chief Constable has been suspended , he was involved in the lies put forward at the second inquest ,

The football stadium and all involved should also face justice , many are angry with the police because of their lies , those lies put families through hell for twenty seven years

The Chief constable of South Yorkshire police has been suspended.
This is the same person that tipped off the BBC that Cliff Richards home was going to be raided.
Perhaps something is happening at last.

Jingle , you have just said you do not wish to speak to me because you find me unpleasant, do you mean you have no wish to engage in any discussions with me but wish to post insults to me ?

Petra, seems he had decided to retire in November , so cannot be dismissed because the CPS do not expect to finish their reviewing of all the evidence until next year

Yeah. That's right ab.

Jingles I've been out in the sunshine this afternoon and have just returned to see your message aimed at me!
Let's get a few things straight here, I was not 'joining in the emotional hysteria' as you put it.
I was in the place I count as my home city.
I worked with people who were at Hillsborough on the day.
Men my husband worked with were at the match, all but one of his friends came home.
I have met parents of young victims and wept alongside them during the past 27 years.
I have seen how hard the people of this city have had to fight for the truth.
I was at work on the Monday after Hillsborough, I travelled into the city on a train full of stunned people, walked through a virtually silent city, spent the day (and many after) listening to people, young and old, who were trying to make sense of what had happened.
I experienced a city in shock.
Therefore I wanted to experience, first hand, that same city when justice finally prevailed.
I was not jumping up and down, waving banners and chanting, I walked quietly around the city centre, feeling the waves of relief.
I had my lunch in the John Lewis store, where the main topic of conversation was the Hillsborough verdicts. I can't imagine that any one of us in there having lunch could have been described as 'joining in the emotional hysteria', but we all shared a sense of relief that the truth had emerged at last.
I'm not pretending that all Liverpool (or any other club) football supporters are angelic, but to attempt to blame the victims was appalling behaviour.
Imagine for one moment, waving goodbye to your fourteen year old son, off to watch his team in an FA cup semi final, full of life and excitement, then getting him returned to you in a coffin.
As you quite obviously know nothing at all about Liverpool, it's people, or indeed, me, I'm at a loss as to why you would assume I am the type to join in with 'emotional hysteria'.

I have not, and never will have, any sympathy at all for David Duckinfield. Admittedly he had a hard job to do on the day, and everyone makes mistakes at some point in their life, but he lied about his mistakes for 27 long years

I feel extremely sorry for the parents of the fourteen year old boy. More than I can.

^ the mystery is - why did I marry a police officer^
because I don't think most police officers are corrupt
However, power does corrupt so perhaps the further up the ranks they go the more likely it will be?

I think that if I had a family member who had died in such a horrific way and I had seen the TV footage of the obvious lack of urgency and negligence displayed, I would not be able to put it behind me until everything was brought out into the open. Me neither.

Justice and truth - are not exactly the same thing but should go hand in hand.