Should we be worried about right-wing populism?

I wish I shared your optimism. I think we'll see the opposite. The haters' hand will have been strengthened.

I agree, daphnedill. I'm very afraid of what the future holds.

If you look at the HopenotHate website you will find lots of photos of Farage smiling and shaking hands with EDL members, among others.

Farage has also teamed himself up with Boris, who has said this on the EU.

' "Johnson, sacked by The Times in 1988 for fabricating a quote, made his mark in Brussels not through fair and balanced reporting, but through extreme euro-scepticism. He seized every chance to mock or denigrate the EU, filing stories that were undoubtedly colourful but also grotesquely exaggerated or completely untrue.

The Telegraph loved it. So did the Tory Right. Johnson later confessed: “Everything I wrote from Brussels, I found was sort of chucking these rocks over the garden wall and I listened to this amazing crash from the greenhouse next door over in England as everything I wrote from Brussels was having this amazing, explosive effect on the Tory party, and it really gave me this I suppose rather weird sense of power." '

I do not wish to go along with someone who thinks that the EU and the British response to it is one big power game.

www.hopenothate.org.uk/ukip/farage-s-day-out-with-the-edl-4914

I am genuinely distressed by many of the comments I read dismissing right-wing populism.

Time for Godwin's Law...

I've mentioned before that I studied German at degree level. I also studied 1930s Germany for an OU history degree and have read many books, propaganda materials, speeches, etc from that period. Although the most extreme were in German, sadly there were many in Britain who supported the ideology or at least turned a blind eye. That mentality has not gone away.

Nationalism was seen as positive and we all know who the chosen scapegoats were. Nobody in the early 1930s knew what was about to happen. With very few alterations, what is being written and said now would fit very well into the 1930s.

I am frightened by what we're becoming and for the future of my children. This referendum (so-called) debate has certainly brought out the worst in people. Much of the reasoning is irrational. I wouldn't worry so much if there had been reasoned debate, but there hasn't. It has become more a reflection on how we see ourselves as a country and. from my perspective, it's ugly. I see the rise in anti-semiticism as a symptom of that.

What's happening in some other countries is even uglier and I fear it will end in tears or worse.

Can I ask a question please?
In the 1930s in Germany, was there a sudden increase in immigrants? Either controlled or uncontrolled?

Granny2016, Thats because the racist ones are stopped by the Welsh overlookers.

obieone, Thats because thats where the jobs were.

OK let me answer that question obieone with another.

In the 1930s was there a number of identified groups in Germany that were not welcome?

@obieone

Why is it relevant?

There were no border controls as we understand them today. Geographical Germany had many non-ethnic Germans during the 1920s and 1930s. Many of them were Jews from Russia, Poles, Slavs or Roma. Germany was more tolerant than many of its neighbours, but that all changed in 1933. If you read some of the early Nazi propaganda, much of it was directed at 'foreigners', not just Jews, and was anti-establishment. It really wasn't that different from what is being written now.

I dont think the two posts addressed to me answer the question? Either that, or I dont understand them.

Posts of 13.11pm

I can only assume from your answer dd, that in answer to my post 12.42pm, your answer is no.

Right obieone

Questions.

What does liberal mean?

It means a lot of things but the context in which I used it means that our society is based on individual freedom to pursue their interests. Of course it isn't a free for all as it can only work within the rule of law. All the western political parties agree with this to a greater or lesser extent.

Your next question.

I replied with another question because I wanted to develop the argument relating to far right identifying particular groups. Just as UKIP has been doing.

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/06/ukip-members-link-sadiq-khan-to-burqa-because-he-wants-to-stop-body-shaming-ads/

Theresa May's new laws will allow the government to check what people write on the internet. Hopefully that will stop comments like those at the bottom of this.

@obieone

You assumed wrong. There was a huge movement of people from Russia into German-held territories after the Russian Revolution, pogroms in various parts of Eastern Europe and the break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Mainland Europe was an international estate agent's dream after the turmoil created by WW1. I can't believe that the concept of Aryanism escaped you.

That's why relatives of mine ended up in the US instead of Czechoslovakia.

@dj

I agree with May on this. The Conservative government has done much to stifle free speech by academics, lobbyists and charities, such as the Trussell Trust, but there's hardly been a whimper. I actually agree with more surveillance of internet usage and I hope Facebook and Twitter can be persuaded to be more responsible. There'll be a huge outcry, of course!

The comments on the bottom of that link are ridiculous. Khan doesn't make his wife or daughters wear a burqa.

Investigatory Powers Bill had its first reading ten days ago.
Second reading next week. Soon be law.
I think it has been altered a lot to allow for the free speech of academics, etc. Not many of those I read incite racial hatred. In fact I've signed loads of petitons to get it changed, and to ask my MP to ensure it's acceptable.

In that case dd, can you not see that it is unwise to have uncontrolled immigration?

Just thinking, Daphne, if we leave the EU, all those bloggers from Europe will not be policed by the IBP, will they?

We don't have uncontrolled immigration.

We have uncontrolled EU immigration which discriminates against the Commonwealth countries.

We don't have uncontrolled immigration though. Nice to know you're so bothered about Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Jamaicans, Nigerians and Indians, etc.

More people come here from the Commonwealth every year than from Europe. So where is the discrimination?