Should we be worried about right-wing populism?

Now that is interesting daph

Puts a major hole in immigration argument - needs wider viewing

That makes no difference to what most other people mean. And you all know it.

The blatant and obvious misleading that some of you are doing, actually makes me feel a bit queasy. It makes me wonder what some of you have got up to in your jobs and lives. Though I dont think that me saying this is going to make any difference to you all.

If the trend continues, it means that there will continue to be about 35,000 immigrants from the Republic of Ireland. If my memory serves me correctly (and there's no guarantee that it does) the Conservatives talked about bringing net immigration down to below 100,000 and UKIP at one stage were talking about 50,000.

Most of the non-EU immigrants now have Tier 2 visas, which are for people in shortage occupations, such as certain engineers and doctors, nurses, etc. There are about 165,000 of them, which means that the UK will struggle to fill some jobs, especially in bio-tech, science, engineering, etc. These are growth industries and make the UK money.

obie I don't understand your last post about what most people mean and being deliberately misleading. What are you actually talking about please?

If you think my facts are misleading, you should complain to the Office of National Statistics.

Oh well! I thought you'd gone for a while anyway. If you're feeling queasy, you might find it a good idea to stay in the bathroom.

What we should be worried about is bigoted lefties.

Many immigrants do change names - often the second or third generation. It's the 'View from the Bridge' (Arthur Miller) syndrome. Just as many join groups like UKIP or the National Front in France.

@Firecracker123

Any evidence?

Why would anyone need to persuade you, obieone? Haven't you already sent off your postal vote?

Daphnedill.

You ask for evidence from Firecracker123 as to bigoted lefties.
It is easy to miss the obvious when when wearing blinkers.

I have no intention of removing any blinkers (or even my specs) and I find it difficult to understand Klingon at the best of times, so maybe you'd care to elucidate.

By the way, are you the same person with multiple IDs and are you a signed up member of Britain First?

The trouble with these political threads is that although certain people consider themselves to be democrats, in actual fact they are anything but as the moment anybody dares to suggest a different point of view on any subject that person is immediately subjected to at best ridicule at worse personal insult. To suggest that you might vote leave in the referendum is to be virtually labelled as a fascist! Democracy?! I don't think so!! The result? most people of differing opinions don't post any most! So you are left with preaching to the converted, and stifling any desent by unpleasantness. Nothing very democratic about that!

They show their true colours.
It is only because I havent been on gransnet so long as most, that it has taken me until the past couple of weeks to realise that even those I thought were milder left-wing, are the same or worse than others.
The milder ones are actually sublter and more manipulative.

daphnedill and Tegan, I am not talking about either of you.

Tegan, though I do think if you are going to label something fascist, you should be able to explain and say why.

obioene Of course everyone who is going to vote out isnt a fascist that is plain silly, we aren't saying that.

what we are saying is that a lot of the rhetoric from the Brexit camp is fascist in tone if not in actuality.
This is a thread about the alarming trend throughout the world of right wing populism. We are trying to counter the arguments that the fascists focus on in this country and that is immigration.

I have already explained to you about how these nationalist groups behave. I assume you agreed as you didn't come back with an alternative argument.

My post of sat 21.59pm needs relooking at.

And an explanation of the Farage poster would be useful too, though no-one seems able to do that, which begs a lot of questions.
You were the one that brought it up whitewave, but you cant really back it up.

I also have to say, that to do that sort of thing, you and others, and not be able to back it up, ups the tone unnecessarily.

What are you talking about obieone

I can back up my argument and you know very well that I can.

The poster needs no explaining it is plain as the eyes on your face what the agenda is.

We explain things word for word and then you come back asking the same question as if everything we've said is not there. You are so similar to another poster called soon and she drove us mad.

Everyone knows who I am whitewave. And you do too.

And no, you are not explaining.

But others understand so no point in me posting further about the matters.

Your non explanations, and non faux understanding do not trick many.
You have done it too often.

LOL we have had cries of "extreme left wingers!" on GN before. It always makes me chuckle because I have a very close acquaintance who has been a Trotskyist for 50 years. Those on the far left believe in revolution.
Personally I am pro-business having worked in the private sector as well as the public sector. I am not motivated to overthrow capitalism - which is the motivation of people on the far/hard left. I believe we need a healthy and ethical private sector to raise the revenue we need to have really good, free health, education and social care. I think the EU helps to ensure that most businesses in the UK have to behave in an ethical manner, treating their staff and customers with respect and fairness. The EU also restrains them from polluting air and water with impunity. While liberal forces hold sway in the EU it is a powerful way of controlling the excesses of capitalism.
There are people I hear of who are going to vote Leave because they think the EU is an evil bastion of capitalism. Their dream is that if we leave the EU it will fall apart and that European capitalism will come to an end to be replaced by a system more to their liking. But none of these on GN I think.

People on the far left and the far right have one thing in common, a complete intolerance of any other point of view except their own. Much better for people to feel able to air their views whatever they may be, and for others to use persuasion not vitriol to put an opposing view across, that way you'd have a genuine exchange of opinions. You only have to say you admire the Queen to provoke howls of rage and to be accused of being at best totally insensitive at worse positively wicked! Not an attitude to provoke serious discussion. Only left wing agenda is welcome on these particular threads, so what's the point of discussing anything if only people that agree can feel comfortable joining in? Bit like talking to yourself really, with the addition of a congratulatory pat on the back from other like-minded (everyone!) posters.

Well said, niggly. Even to one who is pretty left-wing the intolerance of some posts on GN politics threads seems is really OTT.

No I don't know who you are obieone
But you will be pleased to know that I will no longer irritate you with my replies.

Brilliant.

I tend only to look at the threads when the username of a tolerant poster appears on Active. Sometimes I just give up because it's so difficult to actually discuss ideas. Name-calling culture seems to be the constant order of the day with some.

Thank you niggly.