Should we be worried about right-wing populism?

Thanks, ana, that's useful to know. The link I gave goes straight to the article for me. I don't have to sign in to anything. Probably would if I wanted to comment directly.

I have to go out again shortly. Back later.

Spot on durhamjen. Your posts on this and other threads on the referendum are full of real facts and perception. I too live in the North East and on the one hand I have enormous sympathy for people in this area who have been hammered by the austerity cuts, but I am so depressed that they are so naive, so ignorant of facts, that they blame it all on immigration. Insecure people always seek a scapegoat, something Farage knows and exploits so well. The intelligent wing of the Leave campaign is now distancing itself from the naive and ignorant , and decent, sincere Leavers are understandably upset at being labelled racist and nationalistic. What an unbelievable mess. Our parliamentary democracy has been trounced by what is just an advisory referendum and for the life of me I cannot understand how that can possibly be so. Aargghh!!!

Interesting take by John Feffer in The Nation using comparisons with what is happening in Europe to illustrate his argument that Donald Trump isn’t the presidential candidate we should be worried about: the real danger is the smarter, more capable neo-fascist politician who will inevitably rise in his wake.

Advisory referendum!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually there are so many rude points in your post mamanC, that it doesnt even merit discussion.

Which rude points?

I've notice that it's becoming the norm on GN to label any points that people don't agree with as 'rude'.

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Very good point about Labour supporters defecting to UKIP. Left wing to righ wing. Never thought about that.

Though I often things are more in a circle than a line. But even so. hmm.

You two cant see it which says it all.

That makes three of us failing to spot any rudeness form mamanC then.

Four of us...

Five. We can't all be stupid and hoodwinked.

Naive? Ignorant of the facts? Both mean not knowing anything more than the surface, and being easily taken in by those who manipulate the apparent truth and play on fears and desires. So many people who were ignorant of who was the biggest employer in their area, not just in their car factory, but indirectly of the makers of parts!

Rude? More like and

Yes, there is a lot of naivety and ignorance of the facts about. Lots of it!!!

naive
ignorant
blame it all on immigration
insecure people
always seek a scapegoat

can't be bothered to copy out more

I actually think people dont realise what is rude anymore.

I think you are just having a laugh. You can't be getting it that wrong.

....six.....

LOL 7 - ridiculous behaviour to take out random words and say they are "rude"

8 - read the post slowly twice, just in case, and definitely 8.

9

I would like to know who else would like to add their name to the list.

The post is awful.

Why?

Ten -the post does not say all leavers are the same

they are so naive, so ignorant of facts, that they blame it all on immigration.

That above is rude, patronising and just yuck. I doubt if any of it is strictly true either, though it may contain some truth. I'm surprised more people don't see it as rude and dismissive.

The intelligent wing of the Leave campaign is now distancing itself from the naive and ignorant , and decent, sincere Leavers are understandably upset at being labelled racist and nationalistic.

I have distanced myself all along from the name-calling by some Remainers. I'm not terribly bothered if someone calls me a racist because I know they are mistaken about that. I deplore the lazy dumping of large groups of people into the category 'racist' with no real effort to understand their grievances. I think maman is right that Ukip has benefited from this lazy dumping. Traditional Labour supporters are fed up of not being listened to so they've done what gives two fingers to the rude people labelling them in the spirit of if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
I'm amazed anyone's surprised by this.

What an unbelievable mess. Our parliamentary democracy has been trounced by what is just an advisory referendum

"Tounced". No. Upheld. Yes, legally speaking it is an advisory result. Giving advice and instruction to government is what the electorate is for in a democracy.

" I doubt if any of it is strictly true either, though it may contain some truth."

This doesn't make sense to me, bags.
Either some of it is true or it isn't.
Doubtless I have misunderstood you yet again, but we do not all nuance what we say as well as you.

Should we be worried about right-wing populism?

Well I think it's already here.

Theirs that woman who can't satisfy her husband in USA.
Theirs May here.
Not to mention the woman who lets all the immigrants in Germany.

^they are so naive, so ignorant of facts, that they blame it all on immigration.

That above is rude, patronising and just yuck. I doubt if any of it is strictly true either, though it may contain some truth. I'm surprised more people don't see it as rude and dismissive.^

Sorry, I don't see it as 'rude', because it's true to an extent. It was evident in some of the reasons people gave for voting Leave and no amount of reasoning dissuaded them from the myths.

Patronising? Only if you were one of the people who was duped. Arron Banks has admitted that people aren't interested in facts and appeals to the emotions are more successful. Frankly, I'm not impressed that a major constitutional change meant no more to some people than what happens next in a soap.

Yuck? I can think of many things which are far yuckier - lying on an industrial scale, as we saw from the Leave compaign, being one.