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Anniebach Mon 30-May-16 13:02:28

BBC news announced the English football squad would be given extra protection as would the other home countries . Seems we should refer to the UK as England and Co. Or England and the rest

nigglynellie Tue 31-May-16 11:27:55

Exactly TB! That's precisely the point I've been trying, perhaps rather clumsily to make! Even now the Greeks in particular have had an extremely tough time courtesy of the EU, who let's face it encouraged their financial disaster and then threw buckets of you know what when the chips went down. What with that and dealing with the migrant crises virtually single handed, I think Greeks could be forgiven for being just a bit fed up!

thatbags Tue 31-May-16 11:28:26

They are "other home countries", even if they don't like to be referred to as such.
I think the OP has a point too but she doesn't half egg it a lot.

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 11:31:29

TerriBull, if I were Greek I would do as you say and defend Greece but I am not Greek

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 11:36:26

Thank you Daphne , all I hoped for was an understanding of the request for equality for the four countries of the U.K., not being told I am a borderline case , you have given that understanding

Jalima Tue 31-May-16 11:42:57

I wonder how it was announced on BBC Wales?
I missed the said announcement altogether I must admit, having negligible interest in football.

daphnedill Tue 31-May-16 11:43:26

They obviously don't like being referred to a 'other home countries', so why not respect what they like?

I was brought up drinking Welsh water - and very nice it was too! I remember thinking how unfair it was that the Welsh were paying more for their water rates than my family on Merseyside was.

granjura Tue 31-May-16 11:45:57

And yet the same applies to, say, Sicily, different Island, different language, different culture and history- but they do not have their own team. Same about Catalonia in Spain- that is just as different in 100s of ways.

What would be wrong with having a British team?

trisher Tue 31-May-16 11:56:12

I totally agree that you have a perfect right to your language and culture Anniebach but I contest the fact that you should always be referred to by name in any BBC broadcast. If the majority of listeners are English then that is the target audience and items should be worded accordingly. As I said BBC Wales could issue the same piece of news and use the Wales team instead of the English as an example.
I think a British team would be great, but I wonder if the Welsh/Scots/N.Irish would want to play in it?

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 12:00:42

Then we disagree trisher, nothing to do with culture and language . You think because there are more English in the UK than there are Scots, Irish and Welsh then UK news should be English news first and the other three countries what ever time is left

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 12:05:35

Jalima, is the general news news for the UK or for England? I don't give a toss if or how it was announced on one of the twelve English BBC news channels, I am referring to UK news,

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 12:08:19

The four countries are the four home countries of the U.K. Not England and the other three countries

England won the war with help from the other three home countries ?

Hollycat Tue 31-May-16 12:34:12

Annibach you are determined to feel marginalised. Wales at least has its own Assembly, something the English would really appreciate as the Scots seem determined to vote on things which don't concern them. And yes, it's awful that part of the valleys were flooded so that others might drink. Have you considered the real possibility that could happen again? Another 4 million migrants are expected in London alone by 2020 (Gov figures). Ken Livingstone had a desalination plant built at Greenwich which is too expensive to run. And here you are still harking on about grievances 50 years old. Much better to get excited about those yet to come.

trisher Tue 31-May-16 12:36:44

If it is of national interest then of course time should be given to it Anniebach what I said was the news has an audience which must be mainly English and not Welsh, Scots or N. Irish (even if you add them all together) so the names do not need to be mentioned. I also said I had no objection to BBC Wales not mentioning the English team by name, for the same reason, the target audience is Welsh. Do you think BBC Wales and Scotland should mention all the teams every time?

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 12:57:23

Not true, Hollycat. Scotland cannot vote on things which do not concern them. There are two votes in parliament, and both have to have a majority. When there is an Evel vote it is obvious that it is going to be a Tory win.

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 12:58:18

Trisher, again ,i am speaking of UK news not regional news , being English you just don't accept the fact that England is equal to not more important then, no matter, as you have kept on about far more English listen to the news I am content that one poster on this thread has extended understanding. One fair English person is good enough for me

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 13:01:46

Seems only England is of national interest , too funny

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 13:09:40

By the way, which government department expects the population of London to increase by more than 50% in the next four years?
Where are they all going to live?
Can you show your source, Hollycat? Or is it a Brexit claim?

trisher Tue 31-May-16 13:25:37

You still haven't answered the question Should all 4 countries be mentioned by name on BBC Wales? I suspect your answer will be "No" and you will claim that it is because it is 'regional' news, but I think there is a difference between "regional" as referring to places like North East England and a country such as Wales which has its own BBC area provision. In claiming that BBC Wales is only "regional" you are I think undermining your efforts to promote Wales as a country with its own identity.If BBC Wales is regional is Wales then just a region of the UK?

daphnedill Tue 31-May-16 13:42:34

It's probably from the Ministry of Silly Scare Stories.

The population of London in 2015 was 8.63 milliion. It was 8 million in 1939, but had fallen since then.

The 'official' prediction seems to be the one that Boris Johnson has used - that the population is predicted to rise to 11 million by 2050, not 2020.
www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jan/09/london-booming-population-growth-success-challenges

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 13:43:23

Trisher,you wish to take the attitude - we are bigger than you so this makes us more important , fine and not at all unusual or unexpected

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 13:44:12

Is BBC Wales in Welsh? If so we possibly would not know if they did mention all four countries seperately.
There is a separate Tyne and Wear television channel which I presume is similar, but I do not watch it because I prefer national news.
I actually agree with Anniebach. It would not have done any harm for the BBC to announce that the English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Ireland teams would be given extra protection.

After all, we all pay the same for our British licences.
Over 100 posts attacking her for wanting this does seem excessive.

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 14:14:33

Thank you Jen , two English posters who express respect for the four countries of the U.K.

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 14:20:52

Which reminds me, I have to buy my licence today, for the British Broadcasting Corporation.

trisher Tue 31-May-16 14:31:20

Anniebach please stop putting words in my mouth. Nowhere have I claimed we are more important because we are bigger. All I have said is that news programmes should adapt their content to fit the majority of viewers. If those viewers are Scots then the news should be tailored to their needs, the same with the Welsh. You seem to want the best of both worlds UK news when you choose, regional when it is in fact a country being catered for.
durhamjen if you are referring to Made in Tyne and Wear it is an independent TV channel and has no links to the BBC
I agree it wouldn't have done any harm, my point is it wasn't necessary. Anymore than it would be necessary for BBC Scotland or BBC Wales to mention England.
Anniebach of course sees this as an attack on Wales rather than a true expression of the freedom of the 4 countries to have their own versions of the news

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 14:43:01

But, trisher, do you not see that it was British news and mentioned all four teams, but only one by name. It wasn't English news, as opposed to Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish.