The EU - we are on the home straight folks!

There will most likely be jobs going at the UK Border Agency if anyone would like to get their applications in - I expect there will be more border posts set up at the ports etc and at any likely landing spots on the UK coast.

The Border Agency staff in Calais go on a day trip basis.

Ceesnan What threats? Its logic - it would help if everyone used it.

*How long do you think it will take to negotiate "out" of the EU?
*Do you think this negotiation period will have no effect on the economy?
*We already have huge and increasing debt - do you think we will still get the preferential treatment we have been having when it comes to repaying it when we put ourselves in a more precarious situation?
*Do you not think we will have any downturn at all?
*If coming out is worth the decrease in GDP for anything up to 10 years or maybe more how will we deal with the smaller economy?
*"Dealing" with the economy will mean cuts to the Conservative government - that is what they believe and that is what they do. Leave are not the government although they seem to think they are. Where do you think, if not in the areas suggested by "Remain" they are likely to make these cuts?

Lets not have the slogans "we want our country back", etc., which mean nothing inreality but real answers to hard questions.

obieone the arguments stay the same though. There is nothing muddying going on. People work and pay taxes, spend and pay taxes. The government and by default benefit by the extra income in many ways including those I have outlined above.

However should our economy go pear shaped, which ALL are agreed will happen if we leave will of course ensure less jobs thus less immigration. The two go together. I know which I prefer.

That is not an answer GG

"And problems with GP appointments, hospital beds, school places,council services,with an uncontrolled influx of people. Housing problems, the list goes on."

*GP appointments - an underfunded NHS - answer - don't vote Conservative
*Hospital beds - an underfunded NHS - answer - don't vote Conservative
*School Places - underfunded Education - answer - don't vote Conservative
*Housing problems - underfunded house building and cuts to councils - answer - don't vote Conservative

The Conservative Government have been happy to say that migrants bring more to the country than they take so why haven't they funded any increase in service use out of the extra income?

They have been happy to lay the problems at the door of the EU up till now but that was never true.

Take us forward two years. How do the leave grans see the UK?

So we can assume that the fact I posted is unchallengeable. Fair enough.

European court has come down on UKs side with regard to child benefits.

So very interesting the Remain voters keep talking about immigrants already here, and not others.
I can't possibly guess why that is!

Or we could assume no one want to talk to you Anya - it happens

Well only as regards as to how the Brexit people propose to stop them.

I find the general twisting almost unbearable. Part of the reason I didnt post on the news and political forum for about 1 month back in approx April.

Obieone do you not realise the government taking us "out" could still agree to open boarders as part of the negotiations. What will you do then?

obieone , what do you need to hear said about people who are not here?

anya sorry I didn't ignore your "fact" I simply didn't see it.

You of course are aware that the UK was keen to become part of the single market? Something many leavers maintain that is what they joined, but not what the EU has become.

The single market right from the start allowed free movement of goods, capital, people and later services. The U.K. joined for this very reason.

To talk about out of control immigration is both incorrect and emotive.

Immigration isn't out of control it is part of the mechanism of the single market.

Gg, I genuinely think people will riot. I wouldnt agree to that, but I do think I would have to do something, dont know what. I am a person who crosses bridges when I come to them, if I come to them.

Ab, I dont understand your question.

The only way we would be able to opt out of free movement would be if we rejected the Norwegian, Swiss or Canadian arrangements and were subjected to punitive trade tariffs.

www.squareonelaw.com/announcements/eu-referendum-know-the-facts/

Obieone You may march, others may march but the government of the day will get what they think is the best arrangement once we are out. They will have to.

I understand what you say about crossing bridges when you come to them but you are not voting for "no more immigrants" you are voting for keeping our membership and being part of the the EU or working from the outside. So many of the counties trading with the EU have had to agree to freedom of movement in order to get reasonable trading arrangements and, wonderful country though we are, I cannot see why the same would not happen to us. The EU will not, because of the effect within the Union, give us better trading arrangements than we had when we were a member; they just cannot afford to; freedom of movement will be a red line.

Anya if the number of EU migrants was suddenly stopped the economy in the SE would struggle. Businesses would either fail, or have to ship in migrant labour from elsewhere.
The care sector in much of England and the NHS everywhere would also suffer and have to ship in more of its labour force from outside the EU.
This country needs immigrants. Unless our economy grows, the £1.7trillion debt will still continue to increase by £5,000 a second. (unless of course the chancellor hiked taxation very sharply to get rid of his deficit...) Economists have long known that we need immigration in the 21st because of the demographics - too many post-war babies, living a lot longer than their parents, and having relatively few children. The equation always equals not enough younger voters to meet the needs of the economy. If you stopped immigration tomorrow you would be dooming the UK to a terrible shortage of labour and also of people to care for us over the next 20-30 years combined with very high taxes. Pity none of the politicians never explain why immigration is not only beneficial but essential.

Japan has some major problems partly because they have a low birthrate combined with a strong resistance to immigration
www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/01/06/national/social-issues/government-weighs-immigration-maintain-population-boost-workforce/#.V1_ihlexFSU

Well Jess you mention the businesses in the SE. I do agree with what you are saying but if what the bankers and pundits say is true much of the city will move to Frankfurt - so unless there are special moving arrangements many of the jobs in the banks and city will be lost. Most of these people live in the SE - maybe they would like to pick up the jobs in the care homes etc left by the migrants.

Why is it "logic" when used by those who want to remain, and condemned as hysterical hyperbole when put forward by those who favour leaving?

What do you think that has been said on here is not logical (when it claims to be) or not hysterical hyperbole (where it has been said to be. That information would make it easier to answer your question Obeione

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