A thread for those who are voting OUT of the EU to make it fair

Crafting I read the comments on the online papers and often read where people say they came back to see family and this country is hardly recognisable now.

Gosh! Thank you! alea

practical some of them even often comment at great length at the amount of litter by the roadside, I believe

Well said Alea I know who my monies on.
I think it's one? of the best threads we've ever had although I'm ' usually wrong' as was pointed out to me.

DH says we will have a referendum free week ( next week) ...... Nice idea ( live in a cave somewhere?) By Tuesday he will be wanting to watch the daily politics.He's not very well at the moment so will be around the house, otherwise I think it would be nice to visit friends in Hampshire, as we were invited, and it would have been a nice out dooorsy few days( which I could do with.)
Think I will get lots of holiday brochures and plan something for June 24th.✈️

that should read 'not' very well ( otherwise we could go!)

No litter round 'ere!

Well said Alea.

Indeed, well said Alea!

Notable, as to those who have left this post in the last 3 pages!!??

As it happens I came across an article just this morning full of the WHO rather than WHAT thing. You want people to list? Here are a few who have apparently ditched their principles over the EU referendum.

Labour people who, until Boris Johnson spoke up for Brexit, were euro-sceptics and all for leaving the EU. Now they are turncoats.

1. Jeremy Corbyn. His backing of Remain, after being for Out for 40 years says Dominic Lawson, "has all the sincerity of a hostage's confession". He had to perform a volte face or none of his senior Labour colleagues would serve in the shadow cabinet.

To give him his due (which I always do) he has rubbished the economic devastation claims of Cameron and Osborne as "hysterical hype" and "prophecies of doom".

2. Paul Mason. This chappie spent months broadcasting from Athens about the injustices being forced onto Greece by the EU and believed, then, that it was "impossible for the EU to be a democracy". He now supports Remain.

3. Owen Jones. Another who said "The Left must put Britain's EU withdrawal on the agenda", again because of how the Greece fiasco showed up the lack of democracy in the EU. Now in the Remain camp.

Lawson argues that it is fear of having Boris Johnson as PM that is driving this turncoatism. They apparently think Johnson is much more right wing than Cameron. Lawson says there's not much between them politically. He also says, and this is more to the point from my point of view: "The Tories are now experiencing ferocious internecine disputes over the EU referendum: but it might be Labour that pays the highest price—for being united in a cause to which its own core voters are indifferent or actually hostile".

Well, he would say that, in support of his own Party, but I think he has a point. I wonder what all those new Corbynistas in the Labour Party think of their leader's about face?

Link to article here: Suddenly the anti-EU left wants in because it fears the British voters.

Tony Benn, whom I always admired even when I didn't agree with him because he was a principled man, was an Outie.

This turncoatism reminds me of the same thing in aristocrats of the past changed their political and even religious allegiances according to who was in power. It's laughable how much Corbyn's 'principles' were fêted in the Labour leadership election campaign. Aye, right.

I'm an Out for all the reasons given already but yesterday a friend who'd been undecided called round. She said she's now come down for Out for a very simple reason. She's Scottish. Proud to be Scottish but has over the years come to now describe herself as British as required. She heard on the radio that teachers are no longer telling children to consider themselves British but as European. That was the final straw for her. Simple. The loss of identity and nationality.

I think it's becoming so all over Europe. The taking away of identity and lumping us all together.

That is the start.

If it is all right with you, I think that should be the start of a new thread, which I am happy to do if you are ok with that.

(Good link Bags, thanks)

Re litter. We might have every pimp ponce and banjo player known to man: but we have an excellant street cleaning dept.

THIRTY ONE regulations on toothbrushes, FOUR HUNDRED and FIFTY FOUR on TOWELS would you believe.
No wonder our small and medium businesses are dying through red tape and being killed off while the large companies with their spending and lobbying power are causing them to be killed off.

(copied from a comment in the papers)
It has been leaked that the UNELECTED commissioners who run the show along with Merkel will demand that Britain WILL have to join the EURO in a few years time. ALL member states will have to obey the SAME set of rules. THAT is why they wanted the VETO back from Cameron. This also INCLUDES an EU army.
I always thought it strange that Cameron when he came back NEVER mentioned what he had given up. Now we know he gave up the VETO and WILL have to join an EU army yet another thing he actually DENIED but within a few months there was the British army alongside the FRENCH army on manoeuvres controlled by a BELGIAN general.
Now if that is not being part of an EU army then what is ?

Just try making sense of the British Standards Institution regulations and you will fin them just as complex as the EU, and the ASI is even worse if yoy are trying to export to the US.

If you bought a toothbrush to find that all the bristles fell our, the handle broke, it was made from a toxic plastic, the battery caught fire, etc etc, you would soon be complaining. Those regulations are there for our safety, not difficult for a reputable manufactured to conform to.

In the scheme of things regulations on towels and toothbrushes seems a tad non- news, although I would be quite interested to see the evidence of this, seems it might go the way of bananas.

Having been involved in product design and development I can believe the numbers of regulations, in fact I find 31 for a tooth brush very few. For electrical products we had volumes to conform to to enable us to export World wide.

I am personally very pleased and proud of the excellent BS standards, which protect us all, and especially our children (re toys, chemicals, electric goods, etc, etc) - BS standards have little to do with the EU. Is anyone saying it would be a good thing for BS standards to drop after Brexit?

Using the Swiss model, as so many have done recently in the Press, on TV, etc- the only way to get reciprocal trade agreements with te EU is to adhere to exactly the same standards anyhow (just like the free movement of people).

Perhaps practical is saying that BSI standards were/are perfectly good enough without shed loads of additional EU regs which, given the size of the EU and its diversity, may be necessary in some countries but not in others.

I am personally very pleased and proud of the excellent BS standards which protect us all and especially our children (re toys, chemicals, electrical goods etc)

(which you seem to be agreeing with GJ)