A thread for those who are voting OUT of the EU to make it fair

I realise he's campaigning to leave! He hasn't made a bad income from campaigning to destroy his employer. He's paid to represent people in an organisation, but doesn't and hasn't done his job. He and his wife could always have refused to take their salary and expenses, if they thought it was so useless.

I don't know anything about Farage's motives for becoming an MEP but I don't think it's unethical to as it were join or get into an organisation (in this case the European parliament) in order to see for yourself how it all works and to try to change it from within if you think it is wrong in some way. I also don't think it's unethical to accept the salary with such a job if only because, unless you're rich and have private income enough to cover living and work expenses, how else could you effect changes that you want to see within the organisation? You wouldn't be able to afford to do the job.

I think he's had quite long enough to find out how it all works. He's been an MEP since 1999 and I don't believe he's that much of a slow learner. He's been paid for 17 years for a job he hasn't done. He hasn't tried to change it from within - that's the point. He just doesn't turn up, except to sign himself in on the register (or whatever they have).

If you belong to a club or organisation, would you honestly vote on to the committee somebody whose main priority was to destroy the club?

I am a OUT vote.
Politicians they are in it for themselves.
Greece and what has happened there and continues to happen to the poor pensioners.
Spain & Portugal and their pensioners and people. No jobs.

Border control and Calais and the camps that no one seems to be doing anything about... France just letting them in and move where ever they want. Paris has been overrun for years with tent cities.
Greece and the lovely islands overrun
Italy and now its getting the same, I really dont understand why Sicily has let them land there?
Germany seems to control everything
France is controlled by Germany!
Is this what all europe has come to?

The worry that the governments have if the UK comes out so will Greece, Spain, Portugal I can even see the people of France wanting to come out to.

Think it is time the British people took control back, my only concern is the British Government can't stand up for anything, both sides are just as bad. We need a complete change, someone that will stand up for the people and not Big Business & Banking
So really dont think it can get any worse if we come out.

daphnedill No one person or even one country could change the EU, Cameron went with his begging bowl (we are the 2nd biggest contributor to the EU coffers) and came back with a few crumbs. That's why we are having a referendum on the 23rd. If it wasn't for Nigel Farage we wouldn't have this once in a lifetime opportunity to get our country back.

I will be voting OUT and I know a lot of people from all walks of life and various ages and they are all voting OUT.

If you belong to a club or organisation, would you honestly vote on to the committee somebody whose main priority was to destroy the club?

It would depend what the problem was, what had been/was being done about it, whether I felt the committee was corrupt, and so on.

In short, I don't know and I don't think there is a straight answer other than that.

You may well be right about Farage. I still think that what I argued isn't unethical in principle.

Farage didn't seem to try to change much as he, from what I've heard, got paid for it but was never there .

I suppose the IN brigade like to have a pop at Farage because they didn't want a referendum, love the faceless Brussels fat cats and don't believe Jo bloggs deserves a say on who and how Britain is run.

Issie52 Greece etc are in the Euro and we are not going to be. They could not devalue their currency. We can, as Iceland did when their economy crashed.
Camps at Calais could disappear very rapidly if France took umbrage about a Leave vote - all those folk that you would like to see kept out could be waved onto ferries by French officials.
You do seem to be confusing different kinds of people with your comments about mediterranean areas being "overrun". Have you not compassion for those fleeing war? Have you not seen the footage of how grim it is in Syrian? Or thought for one moment that we might have helped the carnage happen by selling arms to Assad?
Wondering who you think will stand up for ordinary people? Other than the Labour Party of course.

...if France took umbrage about a Leave vote

Who wants 'friends' like that? Friends who 'take umbrage' because you do what you think is right for your country?

I think it would be very childish of France to take umbrage about a democratic vote in a neighbouring country.

Issie I have been going to Paris for a number of years and have NEVER seen any sort of camp there. The Mayor of Paris is now just organising to have a camp to house some of these people.
For you to say there is nothing being done about the camps in Calais and by inference Dunkirk is totally wrong. They have been given new areas which have converted containers in which heating etc which are not all wet Nd muddy like their tents etc. they are given food each day and volunteers are there - some of them going for a month at a time - giving them clothing etc. they poor people of Calais have had this on their doorstep for a number of years. They have a warehouse in Calais manned by volunteers and filled with donated clothes and food. The French authorities are moving some of the asylum seekers to other areas of France to help alleviate the pressure on Calais.
The French allow the UK Border Agency onto French soil to check passports of everyone travelling to UK via the ports. These are on FRENCH soil. If we leave the EU the French will be quite within their rights to stop allowing the border to be on their land. This will of course have the knock on effect that it will put all the border control on the UK side of the Channel.

Issie The worry that the governments have if the UK comes out so will Greece, Spain, Portugal I can even see the people of France wanting to come out to.

They already are sick of it
www.express.co.uk/news/world/678030/French-EU-Euroscepticism-sweeps-continent

Have you ever read the French press, practical?

@thatbags
Who's talking about 'friends'? I would have hoped we'd left that kind of stuff behind in the school playground. You don't have to be 'friends' to come to a political agreement and France might very well decide they're not getting anything in return.

@firecracker
I like to point out what a hypocrite Farage is and I think everything about him is odious.

The UK is already in control of its own country, so nothing to gain as far as I'm concerned.

@firecracker
The UK has already negotiated quite a few concessions from the EU and Cameron came back with more than crumbs.

dd NO

I mentioned friends, dd, metaphorically.

thatbags you may think it very childish but it would not stop France, who already pay considerably more into the EU than we do, from fighting for the best deal they can get on anything we want/need to negotiate. It would be naive to think they would not negotiate to give themselves an optimum deal and we would be negotiating from a very poor difficult position. If we, as a county walk away, why should they make any allowance whatsoever. It shows pure hubris to think we are so wonderful everyone would want to deal with us just when we have kicked them somewhere very painful.

Say you were in partnership with two or three other people and you left the company at one of its most difficult points. Do you think they would trust you? They would work to sell their product elsewhere and to find new suppliers and they would slowly cease to take you into account or come to your aid. Friends indeed; we are not talking about friends but nations and nations who have put up with us saying yes were in ... oh no not on that bit and no we don't want to pay for that ... naive in the extreme to think they would not consider only themselves - after all that will be just what we will have done.

France should be stopping them from crossing the border they came over to be there that is the eu law to register at the first country they come to so what is their motive for letting them all into the country?

At the moment yes - but they will be free to leave the EU if they wish if we pull out. They will not stop them getting on the trains - it will all fall on the UK Border Agency. at the moment it is costing France a lot of money - with some contribution from UK to police the troubles at Calais - they need to CRS and Police Municipal as well as the Gendarmes at times. If you have been in the queue to reach the port you will maybe have seen the problems they have with Migrants and asylum seekers trying to board the lorries.

Part of the agreement was also that anyone with family already in the UK should be allowed to join them.
We are not honouring that, so why should any other European country honour the agreement.

Ww is correct. It won't be France's responsibility to check whether potential immigrants have the right to enter the UK. Once here, they would immediately be able to claim asylum. The claims might very well fail, but the British authorities would still have to spend time and money processing the claims. France would also be very unlikely to spend money on policing the Channel to stop small boats offloading human cargo on our shores.

Welshwife is right Practical what makes you think France will feel they should do anything if we come out. If we stay in we should stop our government/s using the EU as a whipping boy and admit most of the problems are to do with how we our governments do or don't work and then push the government to work at getting some changes. We would have a lot of the countries with us.

An IN or OUT quiz for you, folks

My result: 66% out. I'd love to know if anyone gets 100% either way