Labour MP Jo Cox shot in Birstall

So you condone the fact that he was paid to 'fight their corner' but pocketed the money and did very little to help them? Does that not make him somewhat two faced [or am I missing something here?]. Perhaps he gave his EU pay packet to the fisherman he should have been representing but is too modest to mention it.

When he should have been there fighting for the British fishermen

Then surely that's all the more reason to take back control of our fishing industry and impose our own quotas.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/mainstream-politicians-clueless-on-how-to-deal-with-migration-debate-says-jo-coxs-husband

Excellent article by Brendan Cox.

Granny2016- in the meantime though, EDL and Britain First do vote for UKIP and Farage.

How Farage dares going on about the Fisheries Commission - when he has been picking up his fat cheque as MEP and attended ONE out fo FORTY TWO of the Fisheries Commission's meetings whilst he has been MEP.

ONE ! When he should have been there fighting for the British fishermen. Who btw do hve the second best quota for fishing in Europe, after Danemark.

Again after viewing this thread I remain affirmed in my opinion that hate does not belong to any one political party, hate does not predominantly belong to the far right or the far left.

Hate belongs to ' the individual' but when 'collectively' there is a joining of like minded individuals who display hate it is corrosive and easy to observe.

.trisher, I hope so, the young do seem to want to remain. My grandson is canvassing in Cardiff, he is in touch with his university friends in different parts of the country and it is a positive from them. My granddaughter - in her defence is nineteen and just home from university! - is texting from her bed most of the day , both are now considering politics following the bile from this campaign , the London Mayor campaign and the murder of Jo Cox , they want the world Jo Cox wanted , many young people do. Even the sixteen year old is helping with leaflet drops . It is their world now and I am hopeful this generation will make it a better world for all.

In the wake of the two recent atrocities (Orlando and the murder of Jo Cox), this is a very good article by Niall Ferguson. He compares the two in an interesting way and reaches what I think is a reasonable conclusion.

I didn't know till I read the article that he's married to Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Anniebach I hope that young voters will turn out and tip it for Remain. I think many of them have registered and most will vote to stay.
JessM fantastic speech, so moving.

whitewave, more canvassing ? I feel a cloud of depression descending . On a serious note, the next few days will be torture , I truely fear a Brexit / UKIP win

What happens if it is 50/50?

UKIP?

Durhamjen....When I refer to our political parties,I refer to those that I perceive to be mainstream and viable.
So NO,I do not include EDL and Britain first.

You do love your nit picking don,t you !!!!

I think Corbyn summed it up for me when he referred to labour as a family . It is our core values which we have always held which make it so for me. I was so lucky to be at the party conference when Mandela came to thank the Labour Party for it's part in the fight against apartheid. At another conference when Stephen Lawrence's father thanked the party and unions for their support in the Lawrence's fight for justice . There was the support for the miners during the strike , our core values have't changed .

I think most MPs in favour of Remain will be feeling slightly nervous this week. And if there is a vote to Remain they will continue to be so perhaps. But they don't want to cut themselves off from people. Ours was out with us yesterday, mingling with supporters. Part of their job is to be accessible and they don't want bodyguards.

@JessM, that's a great statement. Somehow it is an attack on us all in a way that other murders are not. Never expected to find myself feeling that parliamentary democracy is sacrosanct - but it is. I would even have been disturbed by an attack on a far-right Tory. (I would make some exceptions.)

My MP had a police presence in his surgery yesterday.
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UKIP's official statement was fairly half-hearted. They called the murderer mad and wrote that the murder was inexplicable, without any indication that he could have been inspired by their rhetoric.

They most certainly don't share the same core values that Jo Cox held.

Britain First has gone very quiet over the last 48 hours after their pathetic attempt at squirming.

Jo stood for fairness, compassion and tolerance and stood up to injustice. I undertsand Tegan's sentiments.

Even Britain First and the EDL?

Tegan....Leaders from all parties have spoken out with disgust at the murder of Jo Cox,and rightly so.
Surely all parties share the same core values in relation to this sad situation.

Well said, Tegan.

Sometimes we lose our way politically and it takes something like this to make us realise that the core values that made us ally ourselves to a particular party are still there. This referendum has been a bit of a wake up call to a lot of people I think. And also made me realise that there are still things that need fighting for.

Lazigirl...I don,t understand why you would join a political party which you are disillusioned with.

Excellent, JessM.
Did you manage to tell them about the 50/50 petition in parliament?

Jp Cox's fund has reached over £500,000 in one day.

Applause, bravo, X

keep up the good fight jess well done.

Here is the main bit of what I said this morning. We had good TV coverage on Welsh BBC/S4C News (but fortunately not me being interviewed.)

Some may wonder why we are here this morning, given that we never knew Jo. I think the answer is when we elect an MP, we give them a little bit of our own political rights/freedoms and while they are in office they carry these rights and freedoms for us all. So an attack on an MP is an attack on all the people they represent. And after an election, when MPs form a new parliament they hold these rights and freedoms for the whole of our country. So a violent attack any of them and it looks like the attack was politically motivated – is an attack on the democratic freedoms of us all.
Many people these days are cynical about politics and politicians. They can’t be bothered to vote. They say they are all crooks. This is a great injustice to the many good hearted, hard working MPs who do their best for their communities. And many people don’t appreciate the local work that MPs do – holding weekly surgeries, listening to complex problems, and trying to help people by tackling all kinds of thorny issues. Jo was a fine example of an MP who wanted to serve her community and work towards a better world for people everywhere. On Ynys Mon we have another fine MP who shares these values – can we take a moment to express our thanks to out MP for all his hard work and committment on our behalf

And something more – we all know about the battle for women to get vote and enter parliament. It’s 85 years since Megan Lloyd George was elected for parliament in this constituency – the first Welsh woman MP. I think I’m right in saying that she’s been Anglesey’s only female MP. Women are still outnumbered 2:1 by men in the House of Commons. Those women who stand for office and get elected are still specially courageous, and it is an outrage and a shame on this country that in a week when one more was elected in Tooting, another was lost to us in this violent attack.
There is a pause this weekend in our political campaigning to stay in the EU. But the best way we can honour this fine woman is to work with renewed energy and enthusiam for the better world that Jo so longed for and worked so hard for.