I don't know very much at all about anything, but I found this article interesting

Well said, Elegran!

jing you are so right

We have some friends who we haven't seen for some time as they have been in Portugal visiting family. They were saying last night that all their family are so worried about the vote and the consequences if it is Brexit.

However, and this is the depressing thing and leads on from what jing was saying. The only information my friends get is from the Daily Mail. Both are going to vote out and both then explained their reason. Honestly it was something from "Brave New World" They talked simply parrot fashion talked about the hoards of immigrants, the terrible threat fron Isis which included death and rape. It was utterly depressing.

Dont you think they are right about the IS threat whitewave?

Ele have you read some of the remains posts or don't you see they do this as well. Typical of the remain crowd don't think anyone should have a view but them. They have also frightened off a lot of leave people through the aggression so I will carry on in case they want to read what the other side thinks and I won't be frightened off.I have had 40 years to THINK and see what the eu are doing to us shame you haven't looked into it more

I have said what I thought of people who post similar stuff to yours, practical. I am an equal opportunities debunker of invective and illogical thinking, wherever it comes from.

You have NO IDEA what I have looked into or how I voted (by post, long before the issue became so highly charged).

The difference between me and both the "leave crowd" and the "remain crowd" is that I do not use rhetoric borrowed from Nurenburg rallies to wind up anyone's emotions into voting the way I did.

Equal opportunities looks like it, what is equal about the hoards of in voters swooping down to TRY to disprove anything that is said by the leave group. Look through all the threads and you will see this is what they do.
You all seem to have a blond side to what you do.
I don't know what paper you read and I don't care but most of this is not from the Nurenburg rallies it's from the daily express and just as you believe what you read in your paper I believe this. So stop slandering me.

practical

Hoards?!
Swooping?!
Slandering?!
Frightened?!
Aggression?!

That's just on this page.

It is the tone and delivery that remind me of Nuremburg, not the exact content, and I would extend my opinion to some other posters.

Choice of words is an essential part of rhetoric. Every word carries a message to the reader which pulls strings in the brain and activates subliminal thoughts of other concepts.

Public speakers and writers who are aiming to influence their audience study the thesaurus to find terms which will produce the effect they want.

I would have thought you knew the written word is seen in the mind of the reader as they would personally say it perhaps not the same thing as the writer see's it. Says a lot about your mind.

practical. I have stopped reading much of what you write, and I am a Out person.

I have stopped reading because
1. As of yesterday, I realised you were not being honest and straightforward in what you wrote. You somewhat copied and pasted an article tomake it look like something, when parts of it were something else.

I do not care which "side" anyone is on, when that sort of thing goes on.

2.The things you write are too lenghty. Too wordy and hard going.
A lot of people comeon gransnet for light relief, and at least light reading. I am not speaking for anyone or on behalf on anyone, but I dont think most want long chunks of words. Especially harsh and not easy to read and understand words.

3. Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because one "side" does something, or looks like they are doing something, does not make it ok for the other "side" to do it too.

The question can become, do you care more about the message you are trying to put across, or having a shout about things.

Sometimes, tone matters just as much as words.

Hope you dont take this too badly.

And there is still time to moderate and get accurate what you are saying. In the end, that matters a lot more.

Words are still loaded with emotional content. One example is that "crowds" does not have exactly the same impact as "hordes".

I was in the leave camp but after reading your outpourings practical I may well change my mind !
Thanks Elegran for your usual courteous and measured post.

I dont think being a little nasty to others works very well very often either. Though I cant say personally that I have seen you do that before.

One useful ploy is to read an article and ask oneself, "Why did the writer choose the word 'X' over 'Y' when the two words mean almost the same thing?"

practical perhaps you could read some other newspapers besides the Express. Preferably some in the other camp, just to get a balanced view. Here is the list.

The Sun - Leave

The Sun on Sunday - Leave

The Times - Remain

The Sunday Times - Leave

Daily Mail - Leave

Mail on Sunday - Remain

The Mirror - Remain

The Sunday Mirror - Remain

The Express - Leave

The Sunday Express - Leave

The Guardian - Remain

The Observer - Remain

The Telegraph - Leave

The Sunday Telegraph - Leave

I've just read the Times and there are articles in support of both Leave and Remain

As it has throughout the campaign.

This might be a bit off topic but it is certainly worth looking at. EU travelling circus

BTW I started off in the remain camp, but having read several articles by renowned economists, and business leaders about the perilous state of the eurozone, I've had second thoughts, and I'm now firmly for leaving.

If you don't know much about anything you will after you have viewed Professor Dougans lecture on the UK and constitutional law.

hildajenniL That one article sums up the whole eu thinking for me.

Good list of newspapers Jings but you missed out the one which according to recent media analysis has been the most neutral and even handed - The "i" which has produced an excellent series of articles setting out what each side says on a subject and the relevant facts.