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I don't know very much at all about anything, but I found this article interesting

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jinglbellsfrocks Fri 17-Jun-16 12:28:33

here

I came across it by chance. I don't usually think to read the Guardian.

Elegran Wed 22-Jun-16 09:41:16

Most foreigners living in the UK (2/3 at the last census), and over half the net immigration each year, come from outside the EU. The people trying to get here from Calais and other refugees are NOT FROM THE EU. That is already almost entirely within our power to regulate. Coping with them would be the same in or out of the EU.

People from the EU states have freedom of movement within the EU (which we take for granted when we go for holidays abroad) but that is regulated too. They have to be self-supporting, and not dependent on hand-outs.

There are the economically active (ie in work and paying taxes, which help pay for our services)
There are students ( paying tuition fees )
There are those wealthy enough to look after themselves and their families without relying on public benefits. There is no right to “benefit tourism” under EU law.

Anyone from the EU has to pay for their keep, one way or another. Surveys have shown that they are more likely to be the younger, better qualified and in work; they pay far more into the country in work and taxes than they take out in public benefits or services.

We chose to let people come here from the Eastern European countries; no one forced us to and we could have decided otherwise.

The two million Britons living in the EU are more likely to be retired, not working and paying taxes. If they all come home when they no longer have a right to live there, they will not be paying taxes here either.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 22-Jun-16 09:43:58

Well, I think we had better let Dave carry on dealing with it all. smile

(wanders off to do the washing up)

CelticRose Wed 22-Jun-16 09:47:18

As I understand it. If any Brit goes to work in the other member state and keeps a home here, they are liable to second home tax. Not sure what law is in other member states. It appears that neither does the current President of the EU. He agrees that the EU is meddlesome and its laws need reform. On another post....

CelticRose Wed 22-Jun-16 09:47:48

Radio 4 at 9am this morning. An interesting discussion from those who actually work in the European Parliament. German and French citizens are rising towards OUT and calling it their own Brexit. Jean Claude Juncker - the Luxembourgian EU President - stated last week that the EU law of governance over 28 bloc countries does not work and needs to reform at the very least. Even with Brexit, it will take at least 5 or 6 years and possibly more to extricate from EU law.

thatbags Wed 22-Jun-16 10:16:04

jings, that's pretty much where I'm at too grin

It's all very well spouting facts at people but if they genuinely feel (and are right!) that their standard of living has been eroded and that no-one listens to their concerns, they will rebel and they will stop listening to the fact spouters. Voting from the gut.

And that doesn't mean they are racists or bigots either.

CelticRose Wed 22-Jun-16 10:36:40

Without such facts being spouted (hopefully from those who are qualified to so do - and one of the reasons why I channel hop) this enables us to vote from the gut. smile