We should think of Jo at the ballot box

I think it's only someone with extreme views (right or left doesn't matter; the two meet in their intolerance anyway) who could say that if some members or supporters of the Labour Party are anti-semitic (I'm not arguing here that they are or aren't) then Brexit voters are racists. It isn't logical, nor likely. Some people just like saying nasty things.

davfef Would one of those experts be Mark Carney who is a Goldman Sachs man, as are others in the Bank of England.

Wow Anniebach! That insulting and thoughtless post must take the lead as the most crass remark of the day.

sorry mistype

should have said:
Anniebach, thank you. Of course not all leavers are extremists, but we are deluded if we believe that the denigration of expert individuals and institutions on the economy, the misrepresentations on costs, the denials of our role in EU decision making and the constant distorted perceptions of the freemovent of European citizens, the blaming of others, are not the techniques of fascism. They are the techniques of fascism. Look at the evil propaganda on Farage's bus. I cannot see the differencein principle between UKIP's arguments and those right-populist arguments of the 1930's. in Germany

I hope i would not have bought the blame story then. I have hope, maybe forlorn, that my fellow citizens will choose not to buy it, or be associated with it now

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/mainstream-politicians-clueless-on-how-to-deal-with-migration-debate-says-jo-coxs-husband?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=177978&subid=15991821&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

Anniebach, thank you. Of course not all leavers are extremists, but we are deluded if we believe that the denigration of expert individuals and institutions on the economy, the misrepresentations on costs, the denials of our role in EU decision making and the constant distorted perceptions of the freemovent of European citizens, the blaming of others, are the techniques of fascism, Look art the evil propaganda on Farage's bus. I cannot see the differencein principle between UKIP's arguments and those right-populist arguments of the 1930's. in Germany

I hope i would not have bought the blame story then.

I mean the comments on here! Cry about a lovely young woman's cruel and unnecessary death by all means.

It's really not worth getting that het up over! It's only Gransnet for goodness sake!

I'm shaking with fury and holding back the tears at the comments on this thread. The Brexit campaign have used a poster that parodies Nazi propaganda and yet you disassociate it from right wing groups 'She was killed by a mentally-ill man, with, it would appear, connections to an extreme right wing facist group. No such group is being represented at the ballot box next week. Thank goodness'.

Yes there are maggiemaybe, and that's what makes it so hard for a lot of people.

that thread

Of course they are, jingl. I'm voting to stay in, but I'm not daft enough to tar all outers with the same brush. There are good arguments on both sides.

Nothing to do with opinion. You are saying "they did it on this thread so I can do it on this one". Playground stuff.

Re the insult you made, read my previous post.

To be fair, I believe a lot of people voting 'Leave' will be doing so for, perhaps justified, economic reasons re immigration. Nothing at all to do with racism.

In your opinion Jingle, not in my opinion

Those that believe voting Out has nothing to do with the love Jo she has shown are either making excuses for their own prejudices and intolerant attitudes or in my view been brainwashed by the distorted &'lies of the RW media as revealed and admitted this week,thanks god we are not all gullible .

To hide behind the assumption that the man charged might be mentally ill is ludicrous, as a mental health worker I Know first hand how scepitical many MH sufferers can be to extreme views. That is not a reason for us to ignore them being poisoned by such distasteful poisonous Propsganda.
It is good to also see the warnings to today of the loss of eu consumer and age protection laws if we leave the EU, something the likes of UKIP and Out's don't mention.

God! I pray we do not wake up on Thursday to the nightmare scenario we now face a period of Intolerance as the UKIP vision is put in place. No more excuses please for any of your intolerant prejudices towards migrants or the EU

Perhaps if all posts on the political threads started or finished with IMHO or IMO then would come across as less aggressive

Maybe we could have an emoji that expressed the above.

That's a very poor argument anniebach. It's like saying, "I can steal some sweets because someone else did it last week".

I think you have well and truly insulted, horribly, a lot of people who will vote Leave.

They have mentioned it again, Alea. I would not normally have the tv on but am awaiting the return of Tim Peake.

X posts can cause confusion!

Early BBC news announced Johnson has written s letter declaring he will support Csmeron remains PM should Brexit win the referendum , so Johnson is still campaigning even if in a rather sly way

Rachel Reeves is quite right to ask people not to make political capital out of this. Jo Cox believed in democracy and would not expect it. She would have wanted a fair campaign, which sadly we have not got from either side.
I had assumed that 'first past the post' was the order of the day on this vote which is quite terrifying if you think that just one vote could determine the outcome. I see though that it is not legally binding and that will open another can of worms.
What is therefore best to hope for? An outright majority for one side or the other? Or a narrow margin which means we go through it all again at a future date? Doesn't bear thinking about!

Not addressed to you Jalima blame the time zone in my head. I had not realised the BBC had resumed. Have the two factions resumed their bickering and apocalyptic prognosticating too then?

<hands over ears> la, la, la, la

The BBC resumed business as usual this morning, but if the consensus is to continue with a suspension of debate then I apologise for my post.
However, I felt one post could not pass by without a rebuttal.

Jalima, if you have time do look back at the anti Semitic thread , how can labour supporters be anti Semitic but Brexit supporters not be racists , the anti semitism accusations by some on this forum were formed on comments by a Labour Party member and some students, does it not follow vote out supporters can be judged as harshly because of Farage and the likes of Britain first?