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We should think of Jo at the ballot box

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PamelaJ1 Sat 18-Jun-16 08:00:23

Stephen Kinnock was a good friend of Jo Cox. He has written an article in my paper about the closeness of their families. I have no problem with most of what he has written apart from the instruction that we must think of her when we vote!
I am appalled by what has happened to her and feel great sympathy for her family but
I fail to see that her death has anything to do with the way I vote!
Am I wrong To feel that this appeal is rather distasteful?

practical Sat 18-Jun-16 09:21:58

Anya and rosesarered I admire both of you for your sense of decency well In fact for your sense as well.
On Jo's thread you fought a battle to try to stop it being a disrespectful slanging match but were outnumbered.
On this thread the only thing Kinnock gave his speech for was because he was sad at losing a fortune from his trough of cash that's why he sacked the solicitor who wouldn't sign off the corrupt eu accounts.

Anniebach Sat 18-Jun-16 09:28:19

You know this is true practical or is it just your opinion?

Elegran Sat 18-Jun-16 09:28:30

Yes, we should think of her, not because of his view, but to remind us to have the courage to vote for what WE think is the best way forward - whether we agreed with her or disagreed, we all have a vote.

Many people have died or suffered so that we can use that vote wisely, after considering all the alternatives and their effects. They did not achieve this so that we all voted the same way.

Devorgilla Sat 18-Jun-16 09:29:11

I think he probably meant, in all sincerity, that this vote is the most important one for his generation and future ones and we should consider such incidents in the light of which set of people are best placed to deliver a society that will ensure that it is less likely to happen again. It will happen again, but we need a society where it is a rarity rather than an everyday occurrence such as happens elsewhere.
Perhaps we should also all pause to consider the tweet Billy Bragg posted yesterday - that not every Leave voter is a racist, but every racist will vote Leave. People will vote Leave or Remain for all sorts of reasons and have a right in our society so to do.

NanaandGrampy Sat 18-Jun-16 09:33:01

I was intrigued by the thread title . I stay out of the political threads usually as they get a little too 'lively' for my taste but this piqued my interest.

I WILL be thinking of Jo at the ballot box.

Not for her politics or for whether I'm voting in or out.

I'll be thinking how she and people like her who went before made it possible for me to have a say in things affecting my country. I'll be thinking I'm grateful for her service, I'll be thinking about her family and friends.

Her death will not influence my vote ,but that doesn't mean I wont be thinking about her.

Anniebach Sat 18-Jun-16 09:33:14

I agree Devorgrilla,

obieone Sat 18-Jun-16 09:40:26

Sometimes I think some posters post rather extreme comments, to make sure they get a reaction and keep the conversation flowing.

They often keep on posting on some threads long after, and sometimes days after others who may think differently have left.

Jalima Sat 18-Jun-16 09:43:09

Stephen Kinnock is understandably extremely upset, he shared an office with Jo Cox too, so she was a friend as well as a close colleague.

I have not stopped thinking about this young woman and her family since it happened. She was the same age as my DD and the thought of losing a daughter in this horrific way is beyond comprehension.
The country has lost a principled and dedicated politician, the world has lost a compassionate young woman, her family has lost everything.

I haven't voted yet, have not finally decided yet but this will not affect my decision. To say that anyone would be of the same mindset of these thugs if they vote Brexit is truly insulting. My reason would be that we can forge even closer links with the Commonwealth and look out globally instead of to just the (possibly?) dying duck that is the EU. That certainly does not make me racist.
It is like saying anyone who has leftwing tendencies has the same mindset as those anarchists who wish to destroy our democracy.

practical Sat 18-Jun-16 09:43:41

Labour MP’s anger as Jo Cox murder used for political capital in EU referendum debate

A SENIOR Labour MP has hit out at Remain campaigners who have seized on the murder of her friend Jo Cox to try to tarnish millions of Brexit supporters.
But the appeals of Leeds West MP Rachel Reeves seemed to fall on deaf ears yesterday as senior figures in Europe, the Remain campaign and pro-EU sections of the British media tried to capitalise on the appalling events.

Ms Reeves was in tears as she attended a vigil to her friend and fellow Yorkshire MP in the parish church at Birstall where the murder took place.

And she appealed for her fellow Remain campaigners to not link the death to the EU referendum debate.

davref Sat 18-Jun-16 09:48:02

Of course it should make us reflect, all of us, about the state of our politics. Of course there are decent people who look at the evidence, look at their values and take different views. But this has not been a rational evidence and information based debate, or courteous respecting honest hearts and mind debate. In this Stephen has been transparently sincere. His sincerity should be welcome, it is in scarce enough supply in our media or politicians. Whatever your vote, we have a morale duty to look at the kind of society we want our grandchildren to grow up in, the the values and the integrity of those to whom influence and power is being given.

Alea Sat 18-Jun-16 09:49:37

I thought we had declared a suspension of Referendum posts in line with the moratorium on campaigning confused

davref Sat 18-Jun-16 09:50:19

I am horrified at the murder of Jo Cox, in awe of her achievements, and grieve for the painful loss her children and husband have to always endure.

I am concerned, desperately fearful, of the state of our politics.

I hope that maybe you will look at the links and perhaps, whatever your political allegiance or view on the referendum, register in some way, a stand for love and hope, for decent politics, for constitutional democracy.


Anniebach Sat 18-Jun-16 09:50:54

Jalima, if you have time do look back at the anti Semitic thread , how can labour supporters be anti Semitic but Brexit supporters not be racists , the anti semitism accusations by some on this forum were formed on comments by a Labour Party member and some students, does it not follow vote out supporters can be judged as harshly because of Farage and the likes of Britain first?

Jalima Sat 18-Jun-16 09:54:34

The BBC resumed business as usual this morning, but if the consensus is to continue with a suspension of debate then I apologise for my post.
However, I felt one post could not pass by without a rebuttal.

Alea Sat 18-Jun-16 09:54:34

<hands over ears> la, la, la, la angry

Alea Sat 18-Jun-16 09:58:56

Not addressed to you Jalima blame the time zone in my head. I had not realised the BBC had resumed. Have the two factions resumed their bickering and apocalyptic prognosticating too then?

Devorgilla Sat 18-Jun-16 09:59:04

Rachel Reeves is quite right to ask people not to make political capital out of this. Jo Cox believed in democracy and would not expect it. She would have wanted a fair campaign, which sadly we have not got from either side.
I had assumed that 'first past the post' was the order of the day on this vote which is quite terrifying if you think that just one vote could determine the outcome. I see though that it is not legally binding and that will open another can of worms.
What is therefore best to hope for? An outright majority for one side or the other? Or a narrow margin which means we go through it all again at a future date? Doesn't bear thinking about!

Anniebach Sat 18-Jun-16 10:03:57

Early BBC news announced Johnson has written s letter declaring he will support Csmeron remains PM should Brexit win the referendum , so Johnson is still campaigning even if in a rather sly way

Jalima Sat 18-Jun-16 10:06:52

They have mentioned it again, Alea. I would not normally have the tv on but am awaiting the return of Tim Peake.

X posts can cause confusion!

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 18-Jun-16 10:13:06

That's a very poor argument anniebach. It's like saying, "I can steal some sweets because someone else did it last week".

I think you have well and truly insulted, horribly, a lot of people who will vote Leave.

Cherrytree59 Sat 18-Jun-16 10:19:00

Perhaps if all posts on the political threads started or finished with IMHO or IMO then would come across as less aggressive

Maybe we could have an emoji that expressed the above.

Granddaughter Sat 18-Jun-16 10:21:07

Those that believe voting Out has nothing to do with the love Jo she has shown are either making excuses for their own prejudices and intolerant attitudes or in my view been brainwashed by the distorted &'lies of the RW media as revealed and admitted this week,thanks god we are not all gullible .

To hide behind the assumption that the man charged might be mentally ill is ludicrous, as a mental health worker I Know first hand how scepitical many MH sufferers can be to extreme views. That is not a reason for us to ignore them being poisoned by such distasteful poisonous Propsganda.
It is good to also see the warnings to today of the loss of eu consumer and age protection laws if we leave the EU, something the likes of UKIP and Out's don't mention.

God! I pray we do not wake up on Thursday to the nightmare scenario we now face a period of Intolerance as the UKIP vision is put in place. No more excuses please for any of your intolerant prejudices towards migrants or the EU

Anniebach Sat 18-Jun-16 10:25:33

In your opinion Jingle, not in my opinion

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 18-Jun-16 10:26:29

To be fair, I believe a lot of people voting 'Leave' will be doing so for, perhaps justified, economic reasons re immigration. Nothing at all to do with racism.

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 18-Jun-16 10:28:21

Nothing to do with opinion. You are saying "they did it on this thread so I can do it on this one". Playground stuff.

Re the insult you made, read my previous post.