We should think of Jo at the ballot box

I hope you had you tongue in your cheek jinglebells when you said you would be voting for personal financial reasons. I could do the same, but if I could vote I would be wrestling with the dilemma of what would be best for my children and grandchildren, not the effect on my pension . At our age surely our personal ambitions should be secondary to the future of our nearest and dearest ? I'll be on the way out soon and so will you. No avoiding the Grim Reaper I'm afraid.
Apologies for going 'off thread'.

It won't make any difference to the way I vote except to say that I must vote, or what's the point of having the choice if you don't exercise that choice.

I heard Neil Kinnock on the radio yesterday morning. He was in tears. He said that he and Glenys thought of Jo as a beloved neice, as she had worked with Glenys in the EU as well as sharing an office with Stephen Kinnock in parliament.
Of course he said what he did. There is no need for anyone to take umbrage at it. You cannot divorce either of them from their political views. If you could, what would be the point of them being MPs.

Over £360,000 already for Jo's charities. That's the White Helmets in Syria, and Hopenothate here, as well as the local RVS.

Here's something else to think of at the ballot box.
If we leave and then want to rejoin, as some Brexiters have implied will be possible, we will be treated as if it is our first application to join, as in article 49, and will be treated just like Turkey, et al.
No special favours. All our opt-outs will have gone, we will have to agree to Schengen and even the Euro.

theconversation.com/if-britain-leaves-the-eu-could-it-simply-re-join-61164

I would have been more impressed if the Kinnocks had grieved in private. Never ones to miss an opportunity.

I have spoken to Glenys, she is in bits , they adored Jo , she was only twenty when she started working with Glen ,

Christine, how nasty, Neil paid tribute to Jo, he spoke for his family , the Kinnocks are a lovely couple and been my friends for years, seems you don't recognise grief in a person. Anyway Jo's family have just appeared on tv, I am sure you are shocked they didn't grieve in private , her sister spoke, how could she grab that opportunity

Brave sister. I am watching her now.

The Kinnocks have been in politics for a long time. It would be strange if they had said they would not comment. In fact the reason Neil was on the radio, in tears, was because Glenys couldn't face it.

theconversation.com/undecided-on-the-eu-referendum-these-are-the-three-questions-to-ask-yourself-61099

This was written before she died. Just before. If you do not want to think of her at the ballot box, perhaps you could think of these questions instead.

Cruel comment Christinefrance .

Family statements are not the reason I commented. Sorry if my opinions differ from yours.

On Thursday evening I asked the Out's spokesperson at a campaign meeting why they never mention the figures for those migrants who are not from the EU and also the number of UK born migrants living in the eu. ( over two million ).

The response made me gasp, he said" we don't recognise the external immigration figure are high ( over 50% ) , and the expats can choose to stay in the EU without any changes to their status".

Would I be right in inferring that many Out's also believe such nonsense?

Complete nonsense. The truth is that nobody knows what will happen to British living in other EU countries. I gather that some people have assured us that we will be protected by the Vienna Convention, but others say that is not true - and France is not a signatory to it anyway. Blind ignorance and wishful thinking.

Well, if I would say the inners are the least tolerant people.certainly that's how you come across to me.I have a very good friend who's father was from the West Indies,and suffered terribly racial abuse back when he first came here,had doors slammed in his face even.She is voting out.Is she a racist?
Most of the big celebs and wealthy business people that are voting in,wouldn't have a clue how the other half live.Who the hell are they to condemn.
And remember Diana.Say no more.

Who is .diana ?

Princess Diana.All the crocodile tears and false grief.
I'm not saying what happened to that MP wasn't tragic,of course it was.but call me ignorant if you like,but I had never heard of her till yesterday.

Surely companies like Rolls Royce, Unilever and Boots know what they're talking about when they advise their workforce to vote Remain? I thought lots of people [albeit not me]watched The Apprentice thinking that Alan Sugar knows a lot about how business works .

Diana Mosley?

Yes,more afraid of losing some of their millions,

Marmark,

I don't understand your reasoning, I'm afraid. Your friend might very well be a racist for all I know. It's not only white people who are racist. That aside, I hope your friend has good reasons for voting Leave and so there's no issue. She's as entitled to vote as anybody else and to have her own reasons.

Not everybody who will vote Leave is a racist, but it's almost certainly true that all racists will vote Leave. All the openly racist groups are supporting Leave. It's naive to think that some of those people won't become more powerful and influential.

The UK is in complete control of immigration from non-EU countries. It could have anybody it wants. I very much doubt that Eastern European manual workers will be replaced by Commonwealth manual workers (people would still complain about foreigners taking our jobs) and people with shortage skills can already get visas to come to the UK.

marmark you don't have to be white to be a racist.

They won't lose their millions. They'll just relocate abroad, leaving unemployment in their trail.

that Diana, sorry, she was good at croc tears but I don't see what not knowing a woman who was shot, stabbed and kicked on a pavement in England makes any difference to the distress the majority feel

Your friends choice to do to others what was done to her father Mamark

How dare you,as I said you are the intolerant ones.
It's a pity some of the big fat wealthy business people didn't pool their knowledge and help make places like Africa a better place to live,that way they wouldn't all want to leave,No,they won't do that,too busy getting richer creaming off the wealth and throwing back the dredges to the poor people in the name of AID.Phonies,like a lot of people.Of course they don't want to come out.