We should think of Jo at the ballot box

People are very passionate whichever way they feel the vote should go - that is good because for a long time many people have been disinterested in politics and compared with this vote it didn't matter too much as after a maximum of five years there would be another election.
I just hope that whatever way it goes it proves to be a good way or we are stuffed. - there will be no second chance.
There will be a lot of sorting out to do either way - I assume Cameron will need to look at both his own position and also of those in his cabinet. Not an easy task at all.

I'd like to know that too, dj, because I've never seen anybody posting far left views on GN.

In any case the right and left labels don't fit comfortably any more.

Traditionally, the right would have been the bosses and the wealthy. The left would have been the working classes, the poor and those who believed in socialism for ideological reasons.

Over the last few years, the splits have been more complex. A consistent theme of many supporting Leave is criticism of the élite (left and right wing) in Brussels, although it baffles me how people think Westminster is less élite. People with those views would historically have been labelled left-wing, but increasingly they are adopting right-wing viewpoints and, in some cases, tactics which have been used by extreme right-wingers in the past. It's no wonder Nazism has been mentioned, because that was exactly their appeal - manipulated and fuelled by people with extreme right wing social views.

It's all very confusing and other people have written more eloquently than I could about the phenomenon. I'll leave people to Google.

Like it or not, this referendum has become about immigration, with the Leave campaign perceived as against immigration. That's the bottom line. Posters can voice their opinions about their reasons for voting in or out, but history will show this event as being predominantly about immigration.

I also cast my vote a few weeks ago, but immigration wasn't even in the top 3 reasons for my voting decision.

I agree Wilma, it has become all about immigration , this has boosted the Brexist campaign

Immigration issues based on a post-Brexit myth. We must look such idiots to the RoW.

In my opinion if we vote out we are idiots - please note in my opinion

If it is about immigration why the lies? @vote_leave are blaming the EU for UK migrant problem which is sheer ludicrous. For the latest migration figures clearly show that more migrant come from outside the EU than from within the EU.

The likes of Boris and other Tory MP's have done very little to resolve that issue, instead they constantly harp and point in the direction of the EU for their own failures.

It is time for less double talk and more truth.

Reading even some of the latest comments on these pages, far too many believe the majority of migrants are from the EU, which highlights the affect of brain washing propaganda from the RW media & UKIP. Or is it we are becoming far more gullible?

Many people are just not listening to reason. The migrants have always tended to congregate in certain areas and the people living there think the whole of the UK is the same - which it clearly is not. I agree with what you are saying Grand D but how the perception can be changed is a difficult one.
The payment of benefits is up to the UK Govt also and could have been tailored not to include people till they had contributed for a certain amount of time but the EU gets blamed again.
Just keep repeating what YOU want people to believe - say it enough times and many people think you must be right - Farage has been doing that for years and just not been questioned enough about his statements.

He's now saying that if Jo Cox hadn't been killed, there wouldn't have been such a fuss about his poster. The man is sick.

Absolute rubbish. I was moaning on about it that morning. The mans a charlatan and totally lacks any integrity.

Apologies, I didn't know about the agreed moratorium on discussing the referendum.

Wilma, this thread wasn't started until yesterday morning.
As it happens, I agree with you about immigration being seen to be the most important point.

Just seen on the news that Boris Johnson is saying he is pro immigration. His dad is on another rostrum saying people should vote to stay in. Fun when they meet.

www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/jo-cox-minority-communities-pay-tribute-slain-uk-mp-160618123414650.html

Petra and Out's , simple question, are all the major manufacturers, economists wrong & Out's views right? Jobs and investment will be at risk along with our economy in their views. Is it sensible to take such a risk and gamble with all our futures based simply on sheer prejudices.

I certainly do not what to wake up on Friday to a Farage type Britain. I certainly would not put immigration before our economy, I believe leaving would wreck our economy.

Please tell me how it will you will increase investment in our manufacuturing by leaving.

The father, brother and sister of Boris support staying in , his sister Rachel said she is voting in because her daughter wants to work in France

Granddaughter, I was going to answer the question, but I will not with the sheer prejudices words in it.

"Sheer prejudice"? Where?
I too would be interested in your answer Obieone, having just listened to a calm, reasonable, but above all informed talk which you can find on Facebook or by Googling this man Professor Michael Dougan.
One of the UK’s leading EU law experts, he criticizes the referendum debate’s “dishonesty on an industrial scale”, as he considers the claims and counter claims from each side.
University of Liverpool Law School’s Professor Michael Dougan has spent his career studying EU law as it relates to the UK; contributing to Parliamentary Select Committees, advising government and now helping media fact check the barrage of assertions emanating from the Remain and Leave camps, in the run up to June 23.

Watch it here if you want to hear sound common sense from someone who knows what he is talking about, who is NOT a self seeking politician or headline grabber.
Professor Michael Dougan on the EU Referendum - YouTube
www.youtube.com › watch

I wouldn't believe B oris Johnson, Farage, Cameron, Gove, Osbourne is they said today is Tuesday,

Will look at that later Alea sounds interesting.
I've gone with gut feeling from the start so all that any side has said has never affected me perhaps all I have been reading for years has but as the referendum got nearer I found all the bally hoo a put off so will stay with my gut feeling.

Once a week they would be right, though. They would be right today.

Even more right tomorrow.

People voting Brexit are doing so with integrity ,for what they believe is the very best ,long term ,option for their family and the UK.
Their reasons are honourable,and I am tiring association made between the far right and Brexit voters.

Far right thugs are despised and will continue to be so.
They needed to attach in the hope of raising their profile,and were hardly going to attach to remain in the EU were they ????

There is peculiar thought that Brexit voters support UKIP and Nigel Farage,and therefore the far right.
Brexit voters support Tory,Labour,Ukip,Lib Dems Greens... and will continue to do so after the referendum.
Very very few,across all parties, are supporters of the far right
I am not a supporter of Nigel Farage ,but do give him credit for opening some of our eyes to the waste and workings of the EU in Brussels.

Affiliating Brexit voters to the far right is despicable.

I feel so sorry for Jo Cox.
Her murder was committed by ONE person who had requested help from our mental health support,prior to his appalling act,and sadly,it is not the only case in recent years.
To turn it into a referendum football is a disgrace,which I perceive to be desperation on the part of remain politicians.
Perhaps a little more focus should be paid as to how poor our mental health services have become,in order to allow such ill people to get through the net.

According to witnesses Mair was shouting "Put Britain first" apparently alluding to her work with Syrian refugees, and had no reference to the far right group.