We should think of Jo at the ballot box

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/cant-show-decency-jo-coxs-death/

Finally there is the question of the referendum. From what we have already seen, those in favour of ‘Remain’ will find it impossible not to attempt to make political capital from this brutal murder in a campaign that the polls previously showed them losing. Is it too much to ask for some decency? Perhaps. About 50% of the population have one view of our membership of the EU, and about 50% have another view. I can already see the temptation of some ‘Remainers’. They may keep it subtle. They may insist that a vote for ‘Remain’ is a vote for ‘the future’ and ‘Leave’ a vote for ‘the past’. Or they may try to say that a vote to stay in the EU is a vote against ‘hatred’ and for ‘hope’ or the politics of ‘unity’ over those of ‘division’. If they do then they should be aware that they are using the actions of a madman, extremist or terrorist (or all three) as a means to further their own political goals. They would be doing precisely what we try so hard, unanimously and generally successfully to stop Islamist gunmen from being able to do.

Such a move would bring about the triumph of the assassin’s veto in our society – something which could not only have appalling short-term consequences, but bloody long-term ones as well. I trust that those campaigning for ‘Remain’ recognise that a victory achieved on those terms would be the sourest and most divisive victory of all.

Does it matter! We have photographic evidence of him spending time with BF. We know that he had Nazi regalia in his house.

You can't say for certain Granny2016. Many Brexiters will be voting that way for decent reasons, but I am afraid there will be many racist types also voting leave. Sadly.

And that's why I think this referendum must be one of the daftest things ever done by government.

I think this murderer had mental health issues and hate in him. The worst combination.

People voting to remain are doing it with integrity, too, Granny2016.
What do you think of Farage's poster? Does that show integrity? Baroness Warsi did not think so, and has changed sides on the strength of it. Gove thought it was appalling.

How will you prove your argument pogs assuming you are correct, which you are not.

POGS, I think that is quite the nastiest post I have seen.
As far as I see it, you are saying remain should just throw in the towel because otherwise we will be seen as winning off the murder of someone who wanted us to remain.
I am really disgusted with that.

However you interpret the sentiments expressed in the article, they are not POGS's words.

How can any claims be based on 'may'

"A former chairman of the Conservative Party has switched her support from the Leave campaign to Remain.

Baroness Warsi told the Times the "hate and xenophobia" of the Leave campaign was "a step too far".

She said she realised she could no longer support Leave when she saw UKIP's "breaking point" anti-EU poster.

Vote Leave said it was not aware Lady Warsi had joined its campaign, while Nigel Farage defended the poster, saying it was "the truth". "

From the BBC. I see no integrity in what Farage says.

Ana, POGS did not put those words in quotation marks. Therefore it was safe to assume they were her words.
On another thread she says she likes those words.
Personally, I think they are appalling, whoever said them and whoever agrees with them.

The words were quoted from the Spectator link - surely you read it, durhamjen? Not everyone remembers to put quotation marks in place.

If I put something up to read it usually means that I agree with the sentiments being expressed. If I disagree I say and why.

Your suggestion that pogs merely put it up for perusal is spurious. She can of course try to distance herself but it would not be convincing.

If you're addressing me, whitewave, I did not 'suggest' that POGS put the article up for perusal. I refuted durhamjen's assumption that they were POGS's own words.

That's all.

Ofcorse you do Durhamjen, so will another dozen posters I can think of.

The reason I posted those words were because I too am equally 'dusgusted' at the posts that are using this tragedy to what I see as propagating their political views such as calling the Leave Campaign as using her death. Another comment made on Sunday said this " I would even have been disturbed by an attack on a far right Tory ( I would make some exceptions"). I could go on.

The article is saying something different to me .

It is about the use of a death to promote a cause. Why do it. It is not telling anyone to throw in the towel. It is pointing out that there has been a call for the 'tone' of the dialogue to change from most people,even on Gransnet, it has not been heeded and we can all see that.

But Murray is doing it, too, but in a negative way.
I note you haven't said who wrote it, a neocon Brexiteer.
I think the tone of his article was appalling. How can he pretend he isn't using her death to say what he did, to promote his cause?

So, Ana, why do you think POGS put the article and the quote from it on the thread if it wasn't for perusal? Your explanation is just plain daft!

You can nit-pick all you want, but you were the one who made a false assumption. So I missed the word 'merely' out of my post. I couldn't care less about your opinion of my expanation.

The likes of Stephen Kinnock is not using the death of a close family friend for political gains, neither is her husband using the death of his wife for political gain

The Spector is using her death for political point scoring

Warsi was the Conservative parliamentary candidate for Dewsbury at the 2005 general election, becoming the first Muslim woman to be selected by the Conservatives. During the election campaign she was criticised for election literature which was described as "homophobic" by the gay equality group Stonewall.
are some phobic's more acceptable than others

Kinnocks dad says she is a relative

Durhamjen.

It has bugger all to do with Ana, she simply made a fairly innocuous comment that didn't suit you.

Using 'context' what comments in the article make you and it would appear others believe it is negative in tone.

I can't see anything wrong on POGS post.
Compared to using the thread on her death as a squabbling thread and everyone thinking that was ok I can't think POGS post comes anywhere near that

practical, did not Kinnock say they regarded her like a niece ?

Anniebach

I agree the Kinnock's have not used her death to politicise.

I can also agree, if I am permitted to, with your friend Glenys Kinnock who said this.

"The] amount of hatred that the referendum discussions have been causing I’m sure has contributed to the madness that we’re seeing and the acrimony and nastiness – real cruel nastiness – that’s being peddled currently is just unacceptable and can only lead to more and more anger and the kind of anger which generates that kind of hatred...

“The acrimony is palpable. It is awful"

Wise words Ms. Kinnoick. That sentiment does not apply to those from either side of the campaign, it belongs to both and nobody need look no further than some posts on GN to understand exactly what she says.

That is my perception of the article and I don't go along with the bias politics, the sniping at the other side, it is puerile and if somebody from either side of the campaign says something I agree with I really do not care.

Durhamjen,

My response was made after reading Anniebach on page one,in which she stated that to vote Brexit was to share the same mind set as Britain First.
Hence my post relating to that.
There was no inference that voting to remain lacked integrity.

I work,and caught the post during my tea break.....I do not have time to read through whole threads which have a tendency to change as they go along.
I do wish that GNet forums were arranged with answers to a post being placed directly underneath that post.
It would be far easier to keep track than trolling through pages and back referencing.

Neither did I mention immigration,but as you have chosen to bring it up,here is my answer regarding the UKIP poster.

I do not support Ukip and Nigel Farage.
I think the poster is very ill conceived ,as is that with two figures and the see-saw.Neither have done well for their corners.

As for Baroness Warsi....she seems to have announced that she was for Brexit and then remain,on the very same day !
She upset Stonewall some years ago with comments which they deemed to be homophobic,so is not without her controversies.

Lunch over...I have work to do.

Neither was there reference to immigration.
I have stated before that my partner,some clients and friends were immigrants.