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We should think of Jo at the ballot box

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PamelaJ1 Sat 18-Jun-16 08:00:23

Stephen Kinnock was a good friend of Jo Cox. He has written an article in my paper about the closeness of their families. I have no problem with most of what he has written apart from the instruction that we must think of her when we vote!
I am appalled by what has happened to her and feel great sympathy for her family but
I fail to see that her death has anything to do with the way I vote!
Am I wrong To feel that this appeal is rather distasteful?

whitewave Mon 20-Jun-16 12:04:10

If I put something up to read it usually means that I agree with the sentiments being expressed. If I disagree I say and why.

Your suggestion that pogs merely put it up for perusal is spurious. She can of course try to distance herself but it would not be convincing.

Ana Mon 20-Jun-16 12:00:12

The words were quoted from the Spectator link - surely you read it, durhamjen? Not everyone remembers to put quotation marks in place.

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 11:55:47

"A former chairman of the Conservative Party has switched her support from the Leave campaign to Remain.

Baroness Warsi told the Times the "hate and xenophobia" of the Leave campaign was "a step too far".

She said she realised she could no longer support Leave when she saw UKIP's "breaking point" anti-EU poster.

Vote Leave said it was not aware Lady Warsi had joined its campaign, while Nigel Farage defended the poster, saying it was "the truth". "

From the BBC. I see no integrity in what Farage says.

Ana, POGS did not put those words in quotation marks. Therefore it was safe to assume they were her words.
On another thread she says she likes those words.
Personally, I think they are appalling, whoever said them and whoever agrees with them.

Anniebach Mon 20-Jun-16 11:51:57

How can any claims be based on 'may'

Ana Mon 20-Jun-16 11:49:53

However you interpret the sentiments expressed in the article, they are not POGS's words.

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 11:34:51

POGS, I think that is quite the nastiest post I have seen.
As far as I see it, you are saying remain should just throw in the towel because otherwise we will be seen as winning off the murder of someone who wanted us to remain.
I am really disgusted with that.

whitewave Mon 20-Jun-16 11:32:43

How will you prove your argument pogs assuming you are correct, which you are not.

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 11:31:30

People voting to remain are doing it with integrity, too, Granny2016.
What do you think of Farage's poster? Does that show integrity? Baroness Warsi did not think so, and has changed sides on the strength of it. Gove thought it was appalling.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 11:30:21

I think this murderer had mental health issues and hate in him. The worst combination.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 20-Jun-16 11:28:45

You can't say for certain Granny2016. Many Brexiters will be voting that way for decent reasons, but I am afraid there will be many racist types also voting leave. Sadly.

And that's why I think this referendum must be one of the daftest things ever done by government.

whitewave Mon 20-Jun-16 11:27:48

Does it matter! We have photographic evidence of him spending time with BF. We know that he had Nazi regalia in his house.

POGS Mon 20-Jun-16 11:27:30

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/cant-show-decency-jo-coxs-death/

Finally there is the question of the referendum. From what we have already seen, those in favour of ‘Remain’ will find it impossible not to attempt to make political capital from this brutal murder in a campaign that the polls previously showed them losing. Is it too much to ask for some decency? Perhaps. About 50% of the population have one view of our membership of the EU, and about 50% have another view. I can already see the temptation of some ‘Remainers’. They may keep it subtle. They may insist that a vote for ‘Remain’ is a vote for ‘the future’ and ‘Leave’ a vote for ‘the past’. Or they may try to say that a vote to stay in the EU is a vote against ‘hatred’ and for ‘hope’ or the politics of ‘unity’ over those of ‘division’. If they do then they should be aware that they are using the actions of a madman, extremist or terrorist (or all three) as a means to further their own political goals. They would be doing precisely what we try so hard, unanimously and generally successfully to stop Islamist gunmen from being able to do.

Such a move would bring about the triumph of the assassin’s veto in our society – something which could not only have appalling short-term consequences, but bloody long-term ones as well. I trust that those campaigning for ‘Remain’ recognise that a victory achieved on those terms would be the sourest and most divisive victory of all.

Ceesnan Mon 20-Jun-16 11:25:02

According to witnesses Mair was shouting "Put Britain first" apparently alluding to her work with Syrian refugees, and had no reference to the far right group.

Granny2016 Mon 20-Jun-16 11:14:42

People voting Brexit are doing so with integrity ,for what they believe is the very best ,long term ,option for their family and the UK.
Their reasons are honourable,and I am tiring association made between the far right and Brexit voters.

Far right thugs are despised and will continue to be so.
They needed to attach in the hope of raising their profile,and were hardly going to attach to remain in the EU were they ????

There is peculiar thought that Brexit voters support UKIP and Nigel Farage,and therefore the far right.
Brexit voters support Tory,Labour,Ukip,Lib Dems Greens... and will continue to do so after the referendum.
Very very few,across all parties, are supporters of the far right
I am not a supporter of Nigel Farage ,but do give him credit for opening some of our eyes to the waste and workings of the EU in Brussels.

Affiliating Brexit voters to the far right is despicable.

I feel so sorry for Jo Cox.
Her murder was committed by ONE person who had requested help from our mental health support,prior to his appalling act,and sadly,it is not the only case in recent years.
To turn it into a referendum football is a disgrace,which I perceive to be desperation on the part of remain politicians.
Perhaps a little more focus should be paid as to how poor our mental health services have become,in order to allow such ill people to get through the net.

Elegran Mon 20-Jun-16 10:18:25

Even more right tomorrow. grin

POGS Mon 20-Jun-16 10:06:24

grin

Elegran Mon 20-Jun-16 09:35:53

Once a week they would be right, though. They would be right today.

practical Mon 20-Jun-16 09:15:44

Will look at that later Alea sounds interesting.
I've gone with gut feeling from the start so all that any side has said has never affected me perhaps all I have been reading for years has but as the referendum got nearer I found all the bally hoo a put off so will stay with my gut feeling.

Anniebach Mon 20-Jun-16 09:08:03

I wouldn't believe B oris Johnson, Farage, Cameron, Gove, Osbourne is they said today is Tuesday,

Alea Mon 20-Jun-16 08:58:48

Watch it here if you want to hear sound common sense from someone who knows what he is talking about, who is NOT a self seeking politician or headline grabber.
Professor Michael Dougan on the EU Referendum - YouTube
www.youtube.com › watch

Alea Mon 20-Jun-16 08:52:30

"Sheer prejudice"? Where?
I too would be interested in your answer Obieone, having just listened to a calm, reasonable, but above all informed talk which you can find on Facebook or by Googling this man Professor Michael Dougan.
One of the UK’s leading EU law experts, he criticizes the referendum debate’s “dishonesty on an industrial scale”, as he considers the claims and counter claims from each side.
University of Liverpool Law School’s Professor Michael Dougan has spent his career studying EU law as it relates to the UK; contributing to Parliamentary Select Committees, advising government and now helping media fact check the barrage of assertions emanating from the Remain and Leave camps, in the run up to June 23.

obieone Mon 20-Jun-16 08:42:41

Granddaughter, I was going to answer the question, but I will not with the sheer prejudices words in it.

Anniebach Mon 20-Jun-16 08:38:47

The father, brother and sister of Boris support staying in , his sister Rachel said she is voting in because her daughter wants to work in France

Granddaughter Mon 20-Jun-16 08:18:45

Petra and Out's , simple question, are all the major manufacturers, economists wrong & Out's views right? Jobs and investment will be at risk along with our economy in their views. Is it sensible to take such a risk and gamble with all our futures based simply on sheer prejudices.

I certainly do not what to wake up on Friday to a Farage type Britain. I certainly would not put immigration before our economy, I believe leaving would wreck our economy.

Please tell me how it will you will increase investment in our manufacuturing by leaving.

durhamjen Mon 20-Jun-16 00:16:05

www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/jo-cox-minority-communities-pay-tribute-slain-uk-mp-160618123414650.html