We should think of Jo at the ballot box

Ireland could very well be a problem. As I understand it, Irish citizens have a right to come to the UK without restriction and have a right to vote in elections. In fact, they have a right to vote in the referendum election. I wonder if they will retain their historic rights.

The border between Ireland and Northern Ireland hasn't been addressed. Will this be a physical border? As Irish citizens can move freely to the UK anyway, will they be allowed to come and go as they please? Ireland isn't in Schengen at the moment, but it might well join in the future. Presumably there will have to be border controls to regulate non-Irish EU citizens.

It seems that this could become a very 'leaky' border.

A French Politician - think it was said he could be the next president - has said if UK leave, the camps and borders in Calais will come to the UK, I think this is fair

Still be free movement which is what a lot of people have been conned into thinking is a problem

Ireland is in the EU and has no wish to leave


October 2009
Voting has closed in the Republic of Ireland's second referendum on the EU's Lisbon Treaty - a vote that may decide long-delayed EU changes.
They previously rejected the treaty in a June 2008 referendum, by a margin of almost 7%. This time opinion polls suggest the Yes camp will win.
The Republic of Ireland is the only one of the EU's 27 member states to put the treaty to a referendum.

The Irish were told that they were happy in the EU

Perhaps if we backpedalled and abandoned the Lisbon Treaty more people would be happy to stay in the kind of EU that existed pre-Lisbon Treaty.

I was only five at the beginning of the 1950s and I can't say I heard anything about it at all.

However, I have heard a lot about it since about what happened.

The Irish were also subjected to racial abuse when it came to finding somewhere to live and other things - the No blacks, No Irish notices in windows advertising rooms to let I found very offensive in the 50s/60s. It took a long time for that to stop. Ireland is in the EU and has no wish to leave - I fail to see the connection between the two. I would have thought remaining in was better on that score.

I am now totally confused ,

You mean she gets upset about her father because he was subjected to racial abuse?

I am confused, what has leaving the EU to do with Africa!

Wouldn't that be nice Dramatictessa,They certainly deserve proper help,poor burgers, but no,I expect they are all as greedy.
I am very glad to be in a different camp to some of you.My dear friend would never be nasty,and she still gets upset when she speaks of her dad.

And leaving the EU will make all the 'big fat wealthy business people' suddenly become all altruistic and give up their profits to helping poor Africans?

The mind boggles..
We are anti semitic if we support one party,right wing supporters if we vote Brexit.
My eyes are spinning just trying to get my head round such 'logic'.

How dare you,as I said you are the intolerant ones.
It's a pity some of the big fat wealthy business people didn't pool their knowledge and help make places like Africa a better place to live,that way they wouldn't all want to leave,No,they won't do that,too busy getting richer creaming off the wealth and throwing back the dredges to the poor people in the name of AID.Phonies,like a lot of people.Of course they don't want to come out.

Your friends choice to do to others what was done to her father Mamark

that Diana, sorry, she was good at croc tears but I don't see what not knowing a woman who was shot, stabbed and kicked on a pavement in England makes any difference to the distress the majority feel

They won't lose their millions. They'll just relocate abroad, leaving unemployment in their trail.

marmark you don't have to be white to be a racist.

Marmark,

I don't understand your reasoning, I'm afraid. Your friend might very well be a racist for all I know. It's not only white people who are racist. That aside, I hope your friend has good reasons for voting Leave and so there's no issue. She's as entitled to vote as anybody else and to have her own reasons.

Not everybody who will vote Leave is a racist, but it's almost certainly true that all racists will vote Leave. All the openly racist groups are supporting Leave. It's naive to think that some of those people won't become more powerful and influential.

The UK is in complete control of immigration from non-EU countries. It could have anybody it wants. I very much doubt that Eastern European manual workers will be replaced by Commonwealth manual workers (people would still complain about foreigners taking our jobs) and people with shortage skills can already get visas to come to the UK.

Yes,more afraid of losing some of their millions,

Diana Mosley?

Surely companies like Rolls Royce, Unilever and Boots know what they're talking about when they advise their workforce to vote Remain? I thought lots of people [albeit not me]watched The Apprentice thinking that Alan Sugar knows a lot about how business works .

Princess Diana.All the crocodile tears and false grief.
I'm not saying what happened to that MP wasn't tragic,of course it was.but call me ignorant if you like,but I had never heard of her till yesterday.

Who is .diana ?

Well, if I would say the inners are the least tolerant people.certainly that's how you come across to me.I have a very good friend who's father was from the West Indies,and suffered terribly racial abuse back when he first came here,had doors slammed in his face even.She is voting out.Is she a racist?
Most of the big celebs and wealthy business people that are voting in,wouldn't have a clue how the other half live.Who the hell are they to condemn.
And remember Diana.Say no more.

Complete nonsense. The truth is that nobody knows what will happen to British living in other EU countries. I gather that some people have assured us that we will be protected by the Vienna Convention, but others say that is not true - and France is not a signatory to it anyway. Blind ignorance and wishful thinking.