We should think of Jo at the ballot box

On Thursday evening I asked the Out's spokesperson at a campaign meeting why they never mention the figures for those migrants who are not from the EU and also the number of UK born migrants living in the eu. ( over two million ).

The response made me gasp, he said" we don't recognise the external immigration figure are high ( over 50% ) , and the expats can choose to stay in the EU without any changes to their status".

Would I be right in inferring that many Out's also believe such nonsense?

Family statements are not the reason I commented. Sorry if my opinions differ from yours.

Cruel comment Christinefrance .

theconversation.com/undecided-on-the-eu-referendum-these-are-the-three-questions-to-ask-yourself-61099

This was written before she died. Just before. If you do not want to think of her at the ballot box, perhaps you could think of these questions instead.

Brave sister. I am watching her now.

The Kinnocks have been in politics for a long time. It would be strange if they had said they would not comment. In fact the reason Neil was on the radio, in tears, was because Glenys couldn't face it.

Christine, how nasty, Neil paid tribute to Jo, he spoke for his family , the Kinnocks are a lovely couple and been my friends for years, seems you don't recognise grief in a person. Anyway Jo's family have just appeared on tv, I am sure you are shocked they didn't grieve in private , her sister spoke, how could she grab that opportunity

I have spoken to Glenys, she is in bits , they adored Jo , she was only twenty when she started working with Glen ,

I would have been more impressed if the Kinnocks had grieved in private. Never ones to miss an opportunity.

Here's something else to think of at the ballot box.
If we leave and then want to rejoin, as some Brexiters have implied will be possible, we will be treated as if it is our first application to join, as in article 49, and will be treated just like Turkey, et al.
No special favours. All our opt-outs will have gone, we will have to agree to Schengen and even the Euro.

theconversation.com/if-britain-leaves-the-eu-could-it-simply-re-join-61164

I heard Neil Kinnock on the radio yesterday morning. He was in tears. He said that he and Glenys thought of Jo as a beloved neice, as she had worked with Glenys in the EU as well as sharing an office with Stephen Kinnock in parliament.
Of course he said what he did. There is no need for anyone to take umbrage at it. You cannot divorce either of them from their political views. If you could, what would be the point of them being MPs.

Over £360,000 already for Jo's charities. That's the White Helmets in Syria, and Hopenothate here, as well as the local RVS.

It won't make any difference to the way I vote except to say that I must vote, or what's the point of having the choice if you don't exercise that choice.

I hope you had you tongue in your cheek jinglebells when you said you would be voting for personal financial reasons. I could do the same, but if I could vote I would be wrestling with the dilemma of what would be best for my children and grandchildren, not the effect on my pension . At our age surely our personal ambitions should be secondary to the future of our nearest and dearest ? I'll be on the way out soon and so will you. No avoiding the Grim Reaper I'm afraid.
Apologies for going 'off thread'.

Ceesnan, I am not claiming I can say it because I have a right, I say it because I believe it,just as you believe I am thoughtless , insulting and crass , your opinion - my opinion

I don't know where the anti Semitic thread is, what was the title?

Oh come on Anniebach! Are you really saying "I was called xxxx on one thead, so that gives me the right to do the same thing on another"? That is childish in the extreme, and certainly not worthy on such an emotive subject. You must have realised it was provocative.

Pamela, monster is your choice of word not mine

I thought that I had tried to take an informed (at least as informed as is possible) choice re the referendum. I am concerned about a lot of things that I perceive to be against our interests here in Britain. Have you heard about the agricultural trade deal that the EU are trying to make with the US?
I still think that I will vote next week in accordance with my beliefs. I am a little perplexed that according to you , Anniebach, that makes me some kind of monster.

Ceesnan, when I have time I will look through the the anti semitism thread in the hope I will find you stating those who accused me of being anti semetic are insulting, thoughtless and crass

Well said Granddaughter

Grandaughter et al. Maybe you're right. I shall vote to stay in purely for personal financial reasons. And that's all I'll be thinking of at the ballot box.

Davref, thank you for you constructive comments, the sheer prejudices, untruths and sheer hypocrisy expressed by some contributors is getting to me. We were once a tolerant decent society that used to lead by setting good examples. The Farage UKIP and many Out campaigners with the lies and distorted stories are changing us into an uncaring society, yet I still note they are still trying to jusify many of their prejudices.

There is another thread where the roots and consequences of this terrible act are discussed. Posting there instead of here does not imply that on here they are being ignored or tolerated, only that the thread is about mourning, not analysing.

davre

In the circumstances, I think that this thread, with its inevitable political content is completely inappropriate. And that's all I have to say on the matter.

Perhaps they think nastiness wins arguments. You have to feel sorry for them really.