Does a little bit of you...... (It's about that)

@ petra

I don't understand that comment. Do your two West Indian friends have British nationality? If so, they're British. Why should their origin be relevant?

Blimey bags (smile)

So how did you balance remaining against leaving with the very real potential of getting a nationalist right wing government that will take away rights, environmental rights etc.

That was where I was coming from.

It amuses me right now to think that the most vociferous politicos on gransnet are going to have a field day. They will be able to doomsay and moan to their hearts' content. Not much change there then

I balanced it by having a different starting point, which is Listen to the concerns of the Working Classes. Doesn't mean I always agree with what they're saying; it means I think their concerns are real and should be addressed however much the better off, the chattering classes, and the money markets patronisingly think they know better.

Democracy is what matters to me. Like I always said. From the start of the campaign.

OK no point in arguing. Let's hope that the working man isn't badly effected.

It is what it is. Now we start living with the decision and it scares the wits out of me. I wasn't looking forward to growing old in the UK, but now I'm dreading it. Aw well, one day at a time.

From the turnout I suspect that this has engaged many who were never interested in politics before, or felt 'Why bother? They're all the same.' This is, quite simply, democracy at work.

Whatever your politics we have to accept what the majority have decided. To imply that 'the majority' are stupid, racist, or any other derogatory term is not acceptable. And as bags has said, it is the working class who have spoken.

Democracy is an illusion. People under 45ish haven't got what they voted for, but will have to live with the consequences for decades.

Nobody has won any greater 'say' in the way their lives are controlled and the poor will be poorer.

What do you think this will achieve beyond the soundbites?

J52 - I feel as if I've personally been pushed over the edge of the cliff ...

on UK pensions here- the value of which has fallen 40% overnight, and our healthcare will probably be cancelled soon (good job I had my knee done in March- couldn't afford it now- I'd have to come back and sponge on the NHS as so many expats do)..

but it feels like my heart is broken- and that is so much more important than my purse a massively sad and depressing world to wake up to today.

Found their voice - will they find the jobs?

Why isn't it acceptable, when so many people didn't know the facts and couldn't be bothered to find out?

Maybe everything should have been delivered in five minute snippets.

The poor will be poorer and the only people who will gain will be the fat cats of the 'rentier' class.

@granjura

Exactly! What price democracy when there's no money for food on their plates?

Well the brexiters have just won I hope none of them start whingeing about this mornings 8% drop in £sterling and how much more expensive their holiday abroad might might be.

Woke up an hour ago to the good news that the Leave camp have won!
52%to48%. I wasn't going to give up my good nights sleep though DH stayed up all night.Like a lot of others I feel hopeful and excited about our future now, and this is the start of something good.Things cannot happen overnight, it will take years to sort out properly.It's a great start to the weekend, going for a celebratory lunch later.

No, sterling was bound to drop at first, it will come back again.
The only whinging will come from those on the Remain side!

Good-oh rose

Since when have you been an expert in economics, roses? Mark Carney is due to make an announcement this morning.

So what advantages do YOU see from leaving the EU?

Nellie, they can't help themselves. They'll find somebody else to blame.

Worrying isn't the same as whinging rose

We need someone to reassure us that we are indeed heading for the sunny uplands and indeed how we are going to get there.

Celebrate by all means but remember that if the economy does not settle as you so confidently expect it to do, the very people who took us out of Europe will suffer most.

thatbags good posts, I agree.
The vote was a democratic one.... And should be accepted by all , but I expect the threads will go on an on ( ad nauseam) with doom mongering.

It's not doom mongering when the pound has fallen, as have stocks and futures. Oil is priced in dollars, so it won't be long before petrol prices rise. The Bank of England will have to intervene to support the pound or devalue, thus increasing debt. That's not doom-mongering and if you can't see something in front of your nose, I suggest you get yourself some new specs.

How much has it cost us already

"Democracy is an illusion". quote from disagruntled remainer. Really?

Twaddle

daphnedill on what basis are you saying that "So many people didn't know the facts and didn't bother to find out"? Did you conduct interviews with everyone who voted, or is this just your opinion gleaned from random remarks? Incidentally, your comment about 5 minute snippets seems somewhat patronising, but that is just my opinion.