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Undecideds - have you decided?

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kittylester Thu 23-Jun-16 07:48:58

I think I'm going for 'Remain' but I'm still not definite.confused

K8tie Thu 23-Jun-16 10:56:17

First of all nobody asked us in the beginning if we wanted to enter. Now that it is in tatters they ask us! We say yes and they can then blame us as after all we gave them the right to maintain it!!!
The EU has now been in place for a good while and it is clear to see it is BROKEN! And to me they have had a whole load of time to fix it and yet they haven't been able to fix it. If something is broken and unfixable why continue with it . . . seems not only pure madness but totally illogical.
We always had trade agreements previously that we could maintain or not as situations would merit . . . nothing would stop that. Good thing about that was that if a trade deal changed and was not in the UK's best interest we could decide not to enter/continue with these agreements.
Each of us has to use our very OWN intuitive abilities to make this very important decision. And stating your case is stating your OWN feelings, and may or may not encourage others to agree with you.
I got an email this morning saying if I choose out I am choosing Hate and if I choose in I am choosing Love. What a load of cobblers!!! What I really am uncomfortable with is this "if you do this then you are this and if you do this you are that". NO . . . it is just your own opinion and at our age our opinions really do matter.

JOHN19488 Thu 23-Jun-16 10:56:30

Just going in to vote still have mine my mind up ha ha

whitewave Thu 23-Jun-16 10:57:21

We haven't got very good roll models in our politicians.

The only one who has tried to give facts whilst remaining calm and refusing to take part in the nonsense is Corbyn and he has been accused of being lukewarm.

michellehargreaves Thu 23-Jun-16 11:03:14

I'm afraid I can't take Corbyn seriously, he has always been against our membership of the E U, but now supports remain campaign, albeit in a lukewarm way (?) not very true to his ideals then?

kaygee Thu 23-Jun-16 11:03:20

I was undecided in 1975 and in the end I voted for joining the European Community, as it was then. By the early '90s I could see which way the wind was blowing and decided that we must get out as there was a hidden agenda that we didn't know about. Nothing I've heard since has changed my mind, and I'm very suspicious of those so called experts and politicians who want us to remain in.
If we vote to remain the youngsters of today won't know what's hit them in 10 or 15 years time.
I'm voting out.

silverlining48 Thu 23-Jun-16 11:05:02

I voted early this morning, and though still undecided until today, have listened, read and watched what i could to make as good a judgement as i am able and am grateful to have had the opportunity to have my say. I think it will be a high turnout with a close result. Lets hope we can all graciously accept whatever is decided by the majority.

Devorgilla Thu 23-Jun-16 11:05:07

hildajenniJ: 10.47.25 today. Please tell me your relative didn't just vote Leave because his boss told him too. That smacks of rotten and pocket boroughs to me, something the 1832 Reform Act got rid of.

anglogallois Thu 23-Jun-16 11:13:51

Rosina i don't think your knowledge of actual history is up to much "we defeated Hitler almost alone......."- absolute tosh. Never mind the USA, what about Canada, Australia, South Africa, India and many other countries not least of which would be Russia. You just can't do things on your own these days. The rosy hued days of the Empire are over. VOTE REMAIN I have. The UK is part of Europe geographically BTW. Don't forget that Ireland is off course in as well.

Legs55 Thu 23-Jun-16 11:17:39

whatever the result none of us have a crystal ball so the future is uncertain I have a postal vote which I sent off a few weeks ago - my mind was made up right at the start & nothing would change it. as for economists etc even they are guessing we live in a world economy so events in other countries affect us all - if you're still unsure tossing a coin might be the answer. I think result will be very close - won't be staying up all night to listen/watch tomorrow morning will do as I have no control over final result

quizqueen Thu 23-Jun-16 11:18:13

Talks regarding Turkey joining the EU restart 7 days after the Referendum. Has no one told Mr Cameron that!!!!If you still really have no idea how to cast your vote after all this time, I suggest you don't vote at all because if you just blindly choose one side over the other than you are definitely voting to support that ideology and NOT voting for the status quo.

lizzyann Thu 23-Jun-16 11:26:49

Out

kathyd Thu 23-Jun-16 11:36:09

made in 1997

www.facebook.com/100003662834496/videos/774761325989288/

It's 5 minutes long but well worth watching.

nigglynellie Thu 23-Jun-16 11:38:40

I have been so undecided to the point of not voting at all. So this morning I finally asked myself this question. If I were outside the union and being asked if I wanted to join, the answer would be an emphatic No. If I had known in 1975 (?) that the common market I was so keen to join would become a federal state, would I still have been so keen to join? the answer is No. So with that in mind, I've finally decided to vote out.

POGS Thu 23-Jun-16 11:39:34

K8tie

If I had that message it would be another reason to make me want to scream. It's another form of emotional blackmail!

I should have also said people TELLING US how to vote using partisan politics/activism, PEOPLE TELLING us how to vote by using emotional blackmail.

glennamy Thu 23-Jun-16 11:40:29

Vote with your head & heart and #VoteLeave

emilie Thu 23-Jun-16 11:41:45

IN,IN IN.

emilie Thu 23-Jun-16 11:44:13

IN,IN IN.

jack44 Thu 23-Jun-16 11:45:35

It saddens me to see Great Britain being dictated to, and echo Rosina`s sentiment. It is OUT for me.

emilie Thu 23-Jun-16 11:46:09

sorry,same message appeared twice

Marjgran Thu 23-Jun-16 11:46:57

What a depressing thread... It isn't about 1975, it is about NOW. Look at the wider picture. There are lots of good reasons for voting either way and good ordinary people who will vote either way. But the bigger picture? There are few wise heavy hitters on the leave side for very good reason. Not the economy for me, but the big sweep of history. The eu will reform over Time because many people want it to. Who wants us out? Some very suspect forces indeed, however respectable some ordinary folk are. Yes, we need reform, but there are dangerous forces in the world and we need to be part of big teams or we will be squashed. Over and out as I go to vote remain and keep my fingers crossed.

townie Thu 23-Jun-16 11:47:18

Just to support anglo on her correction of the delusion that we 'defeated Hitler almost alone'. I find it frightening that people with so little knowledge of history are going to vote and may affect the rest of us.

whitewave Thu 23-Jun-16 11:48:54

Yep marj so right.

Vote REMAIN and be proud to have done so.

merlotgran Thu 23-Jun-16 11:51:58

I voted out and was proud to have done so.

harrigran Thu 23-Jun-16 11:54:33

I am an out voter and am being called a little Englander and other names by my DS, the same one that didn't want his sister to go and work in Brussels. These young know alls would do well to remember that it is the grey pound that is propping them up and the bank of mam and dad will not be here forever. If the vote is remain I will seriously consider taking myself and my money to Australia or New Zealand.

Tessa101 Thu 23-Jun-16 11:55:44

Out, I want my country back the one my dear dad fought for.