Undecideds - have you decided?

Have voted leave by postal vote. I am tired of being told by others that we cannot do things. Especially Germany who my parents fought against for freedom. Not to be dictated to by them.

How sad some people still seem to be living in the past and nursing old enmities.

This is my first post on Gransnet, so here goes !

What a lot of people do not realise is that this referendum is actually a "Consultation of opinion", not a "thats it we are IN or OUT" Article 50 of the EU convention means that it can take many years before Britain leaves, if in fact it does at all.

I am old enough to remember the original Common Market decision, made at a time when Britain still had a manufacturing industry of some sort, and also skills level and education were much better than they are at the moment (my opinion, nothing else). On balance I know that I shall vote to remain firmly IN.

It wasn't the Germans your parents fought against but a vicious racist xenophobic ideology that we must be careful never returns.

When I was undecided somebody asked what I would do if this was a referendum to join the EU. I know I wouldn't join now with the economies of many EU countries so volatile. We were charged an extra £1.7 billion because our economy was doing so well (a sum, by the way, that Cameron said there was not way we would pay). If we are going to do so well by staying in the EU, as the remain predict, I dread to think how much extra we will have to pay.

harrigan - you never did provide the evidence to back up your ludicrous statement about the number of EU employees who are paid more than David Cameron. Far too many meaningless slogans and lies have been peddled by the leavers and sadly there are a lot of people willing to believe nonsense without checking the facts.

I have voted REMAIN and can only hope that we get a decisive positive result. If you don't like it and want to go to Australia, I'm afraid that you may not qualify under the Australian points system, but if you do, then good luck.

Brits don't quit - VOTE REMAIN

OUT,defiinitely

They did not come in until they were forced to.

Just as well some of us are still alive who remember. The young no nothing of what went on. We have very little say in the EU. The Common Market was one thing. It has gone too far now, and will go further if we don't vote out.

To answer the question in the op.

I was undecided but leaning one way until something I read about an hour ago. I now know I'm voting the other way.

kitty- it is not easy- and you'll have to listen to your guts and heart, and your head too. At the end of the day, you can only do 'your best' - as long as you've had an open mind and listened to all sides and 'studied' arguments from all angles best you can.

Bonne chance x

If people like the suffragettes hadn't dared to go against the system and go for change we would still be stuck in a world ruled by just makes. If you want a fairer world and not just insular Europe be brave and invite US to choose who makes our rules. Don't just stay if you are afraid if change.

MY DH was undecided. He filled out his postal vote but left the voting slip blanK & gave it to me to put the cross in. His argument was he thought there have been dodgy dealings on both sides but he has not watched every single TV & radio programme about referendum as I have. He therefore feels I am more informed & as I feel passionately about it I should decide his vote.
I thought that was a really lovely thing to do
So another OUT vote!!
Even if letting unelected people make our laws wasn't enough then the animal welfare issue was the last straw for me.

ChrissyH I love people with a good memory. They want to fine us for doing well but ignore France who never stick to their austerity measures. But no surprises there as the French have always been the Germans poodle.

I have just had DD on FB saying that she reserves the right to stamp her foot and shout " you ruined my life " if the vote is not for remain. Because if we are out she says she will have to change her nationality and as a parting shot she said " remember who will pick your care home " Over my dead body, I am going to use her inheritance to pay for private care in my own home

I too am swayed by Indinana's point and also share yummygran's view - it'll be remain for me now,

I have just voted out........ thank goodness "I have made my mind" xxxxxxx

The treatment of animals + the fact that I understood talks are set to start once again with Turkey with a view to EU membership. D.C. has indicated that Turkey won't join till at least the year 3.000! These are going to be long drawn out talks that's for sure!!!

varian I had far more important issues to attend to and I tend to switch off when people accuse me of being ludicrous. The information came from a member of the European parliament, Daniel Hannan MEP for the south east of England since 1999. Why not read his book available on Amazon.
Don't make assumptions about me, anyone who can support themselves financially without going cap in hand to the Australian government is able to settle there. We are able to do that comfortably.

There is a lot of talk about how Peace has been kept by Europe but I think that might be down to NATO! My feeling is I have no chance to make my voice heard if we remain. We might not always get the Government we want or like the decisions but at least there is a chance of change with our so called Democratic system. With the EU, there is no chance. If what is in the pipeline is so wonderful, why don't the EU let us know instead of keeping quiet? I'm not saying that the EU is all bad but it has become big, cumbersome and totally out of control. If they respected our presence, DC would have come back with at least something from his negotiations, not something which is not worth the paper it is written on. I'm out.

It's the economy, stupid (as someone once said!).Can all those Economists really be wrong?

Don't want to nit pick- but isn't that illegal- eg using someone else's voting slip for a second vote?

icanhandthemback - the reason DC came back with very little is that he asked for very little. He should have negotiated harder for what people here actually want - eg a moratorium on EU immigration to the UK until the EU revises whichever treaty imposes free movement.

But if anyone votes Leave because of their promises, it would be a mistake because the numbers coming here would be just the same, but non-EU instead of a mixture. If the UK Government was serious about controlling immigration, they would - as a first step- introduce identity cards so that we know who is here and who is an illegal immigrant.

Yes, the EU is a mess but the UK isn't a major power anymore who can demand favourable terms in a trade agreement. When the economy crashes if we leave, there will be no money to spend on the NHS or farmers who have lost subsidies because jobs and inward investment will be lost.

Reform the EU from within before giving up on it altogether!

Don't base your decision on myths about the EU -

www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/06/daily-chart-15

OUT 10am - first in our Croft to vote.