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Undecideds - have you decided?

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kittylester Thu 23-Jun-16 07:48:58

I think I'm going for 'Remain' but I'm still not definite.confused

HannahLoisLuke Thu 23-Jun-16 13:37:40

Actually, I think if you really are undecided you shouldn't vote at all, it will only give a false result.

CheekyGran Thu 23-Jun-16 13:41:28

OUT has to be the only way we can return control of our destiny to our shores.

Casawan Thu 23-Jun-16 13:52:05

Annsixty: re your comment about fishing. What, exactly does it say? That your cleaner's view is somehow not as valid as yours? Have you any idea how patronising your comments make you seem? Or did you just want us all to know you can afford cleanerS.

whitewave Thu 23-Jun-16 13:52:25

Or you could do what some idiot dog walker did this morning. Couldn't decide then voted out but has since changed his mind. Bloody idiot

Nannakate Thu 23-Jun-16 13:53:35

Rosina Turkey are not going to join the EU! Please check your facts independently and don't rely on newspapers - they are biased. If Turkey ever did join it will have to satisfy an enormous checklist of conditions and couldn't possibly qualify as it stands. Also check the immigration facts: there were more non-EU immigrants than EU last year.

There are lots of arguments on both sides of this campaign, but PLEASE check facts first. It will be a tragedy if it goes either way based on scaremongering and lies.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 23-Jun-16 14:00:06

HannahLoisLuke is right. If you haven't decided by now, you shouldn't vote. You just don't know. Best to abstain.

OldPeculiar1 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:02:08

In a nut shell Rosina but I did not vote for the Common Market. I thought we owed our Commonwealth friends the duty to trade with them, not desert them in favour of Europe. Now however the over bearing attitude of the EU that takes away the ability to self-govern and which imposes irrational conditions, has resulted in a disunited bankrupt mess. Self government was defended throughout two world wars and many lesser wars since. Stand up for the UK and let it trade with the world in it full democratic, self-governing way. Vote Leave.

MagicWriter2016 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:02:45

I am going to vote In as I like being 'European' as well as British, I think free movement is a good thing, especially for the younger generation and us older ones who might want to go and retire in a warmer climate. Also, immigration brings more younger folk into our country who work and pay taxes to help hopefully to pay for our pensions or we might not get one! We could control our borders if our government had a bit of backbone, other countries seem to manage ok. I also worry that if the EU breaks up, how long would it be before countries would end up being at war with one another because this one wants what that one has etc etc. But, I hope that whichever way it goes, the result is accepted and that we don't spend the next few months/years going on about conspiracies or corruption or whatever.

maddyone Thu 23-Jun-16 14:06:54

Well said Rosina. Mischief, we did not sell our fishing rights, the EU allows all EU countries to fish all waters.

Mick64 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:09:43

OK, I'm an old geezer. I have led a full life. This vote is not about me, it is about my children, grandchildren and great grandson. It is their future I am voting for. I believe that their future is in a strong united Europe. We have had many wars between us, we do have a common history, we should build on this and be a strong voice in World affairs. We will never be an Empire again but we can have a great influence as part of the EU. Let our children take control now, they are not stupid,we brought them up.

Bez1989 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:11:06

I voted out.

silverlady1 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:12:34

Definitely OUT!! Well put annsixty, we have managed for generations and can do again!!

petra Thu 23-Jun-16 14:21:34

MagicWriter2016 in the event that we vote out ( and I don't think we will) there is no reason why you can't still retire to warmer climes. I have done it twice. One country in the eu the other not in the eu when I bought. In both countries we had to show that we were able to support ourselves as we were not pensioners and were not going to work.
I saw nothing wrong in that. Obviously in the non eu country there was no recipricle NHS agreement so I had to have private medical insurance.

MagicWriter2016 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:22:40

This is exactly what happened in our Scottish referendum, and there are still folk falling out over it today, calling the No voters cowards, blaming them for everything Cameron has done to folk. Reason I hate referendums and hope this will be the last one in my lifetime!

maddyone Thu 23-Jun-16 14:27:56

I am voting leave and I am fed up with being told that leavers are racist and xenophobic. I am voting leave because I believe in democracy, I believe in leaders/law makers being accountable to the people, I believe the people should have the ability to remove from office leader/law makers who do not deliver what the people want, I believe in slimmed down government not bloated, self serving government, I believe in counties making their own laws not having laws made for them with which the majority may disagree, I believe in less bureaucracy not more bureaucracy, and I believe in sovereign states. Whilst I believe in the free movement of people, I do not believe that it is right that people in very poor countries should be able to exploit a system that allows them to move and claim generous benefits in other states when they have never paid into that system, and I do not believe the EU was set up with that intention even though now it defends it.

cupcake1 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:37:09

DEFINITELY OUT! Sent my postal vote off a couple of weeks ago and certainly nothing has changed my mind since! I do think the result will be close but the remIn will push through due to the 'don't knows' who will play the 'safe option' unfortunately. I cannot believe some of the posts on here, obviously feeding into the remain camps propaganda. DH, DD, DS all voted leave without any influence from me - my other DS will vote remain much to the chagrin of his brother and sister!

Pamish Thu 23-Jun-16 14:41:55

Wave goodbye to local authority and charity services you thought the government pays for, if you vote to Leave the EU. The government does not and will not pay for services you currently take for granted and you probably think are paid for by the government - the government cut funding in 2010 and repeatedly since then, forcing councils, schools and lots of other organisations to become charities in order to compete for funding from the lottery and from the major EU funding streams. I know because I write the funding applications! Goodbye services for children, disabled people, hospitals, the elderly, community transport, adult education, libraries, theatres and parks all paid for by the European Social Fund. Goodbye town centre rejuvenation projects, small businesses, inland waterways and transport all paid for by the European Regional Development Fund. And hello massive hikes in council tax and hello fracking companies and nuclear power stations on your doorstep, massive corporate building projects in the countryside and privatisation of schools as your council makes desperate attempts to make up the shortfall.

Even the National Institute of Statistics has openly published a statement to say that the Leave campaign are lying about the figures they're using. Please wake up to the social impact of leaving the EU and vote with your conscience not your pride.

Lisa Marie Trump, June 2016

This is one of the forgotten bits of information that's got drowned out by the shouting.

Please vote Remain. If you're not sure, vote Remain as we can always Leave later, by an act of parliament (referendum not needed). If we Leave we are out forever unless all 27 countries vote us back, which they won't because we will be seen as being disloyal.

hopeful1 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:48:00

I have watched every debate and read everything I can but alas have ended up so confused I won't be voting at all. Fedo up with the whole mess..

hopeful1 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:48:22

Fed up.

maddyone Thu 23-Jun-16 15:09:29

Our schools and hospitals are paid for by us, the taxpayers, not by the EU.

Alyson Thu 23-Jun-16 15:12:16

I'm definitely IN and have voted IN and hope you will too.

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 23-Jun-16 15:14:07

hopeful if it would help to keep the choice simple, try this from Martin Lewis, the money man (click on the picture to make it bigger)

Alyson Thu 23-Jun-16 15:16:55

I'm definitely for REMAIN and hope that lots of gransnetters will also be for REMAIN smile

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 23-Jun-16 15:18:51

I hope anyone in doubt votes to stay in because basically you'd be voting to keep things the same. A vote to leave is a vote for change.

notyetagran Thu 23-Jun-16 15:19:42

Today I saw and interview with a builder who said if we remain he can employ qualified builders from the EU but if we leave he'll "have to train apprentices". Says it all really.