Ok, we are out, what now?

Sad day for Britain and a future with Boris and Gove running the country
- nothing positive..

'could see' 'could be moved' ....but it has 'denied the fact that it has started the process'

enough said more scaremongering on the subject until there are facts

Whatever happens the people have spoken and voted to leave (not me actually in the end) but it's now a fait accompli so let's just accept that and stop throwing our toys out of the pram in a paddy at the result. OK?

Extract from the BBC's Joe Lynam. 15.19

" Morgan Stanley today denied reports that it had begun the process of relocation: “The UK’s vote to leave the European Union is a very significant decision which will have a considerable impact, the extent of which will not be known for some time. There will be at least a period of two years before an actual exit takes place, so there will be time to implement any changes required to adjust our business to the new environment.

"Morgan Stanley will continue to monitor developments very closely and will adapt accordingly while prioritising the interests of our clients, our shareholders and our employees."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-36561095?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=576d4225e4b0d6a09aa179c6%26Morgan%20Stanley%20to%20%27adapt%20accordingly%27%2615:19&ns_fee=0#post_576d4225e4b0d6a09aa179c6

The BBC has been showing a 'bit of a hand' not only through the night but throughout the day.

Well that's OK then.

That is such a silly post anya. We haven't just been denied a bag of sweeties. It is much more than that. And it is much more than "throwing toys out of the pram".

Some of us know that our country has taken a very bad turning.

You don't 'know', you just think' or 'believe'...

First thing to do is start negotiating new trade deals. That can take 10 years, by all accounts. So no article 50 for 8 years, as that takes 2 years to complete. For me, this is a really sad day as it's the end of the UK as well, and the end of my retirement dreams

It isn't really scaremongering. It is listening to the experts who had strong warnings about the (very) likely economic consequences of leaving the EU, and also seeing what is happening right now. Falling markets, falling credit ratings, and the price of petrol about to rise, with all the follow-on price rises that entails. Also, applying a bit of common sense - if we turn our backs on Europe, why should they want to continue agreements such as entitlement to free health care if you're visiting their countries, or the "open skies" which allow EasyJet etc to offer cheap air fares? Small things, maybe, but things we have lost.

If you went to the doctor and he advised you that a proposed action would be bad for your health, would you dismiss it as scaremongering? We might not be certain of what will happen in the future but the warnings have been pretty dire, and they are not ridiculous warnings either. Why are we taking such a huge risk with our future - and our children's future! - when we know there is no way back? We've just opted out of the world's largest free market and we can't get back in if it all goes horribly wrong for us. Not unless we can persuade every member state to accept us back - and why should they?

Calais looking to renegotiate the agreement over illegals.

Didn't take long for Farage to say the 350 mio were going to go to NHS- *** ! What a surprise- same for Boris.

Le Touquet treaty to be renegotiated, as well.

Noticed everyone was reasonably measured except Farage his jingoism and assumption that "we in Westminster" really grated.

No Anya, as jingl says, it is not OK, and it is not throwing toys out of the pram- it's dire, and we are the laughing stock of the world - the only place we have got the medal for so far, beating Trump to it. Funny? NO.

Laughing stock of the world?

Who says?

I haven't yet got to the stage of believing what has happened. It is a disaster.

On a very personal level, I am going to apply for dual citizenship of the Irish republic which I am entitled to do because of my Irish ancestry. I refuse to let the decisions of others deny me the right to be a European. If I were younger I would emigrate.

Anya Fri 24-Jun-16 16:13:03

No it's not "OK" Anya (and it's rather rude). The Conservative party and the country have been tied in knots by those who did not accept the original "in" vote for years and years and years.

I went out for a while and came back to the same old discord and backbiting. For crying out loud, could we just put that aside for once and try to discuss things amicably?

No wonder there is such an atmosphere of aggression everywhere in the country, when people who are old enough to know better can't talk about serious sujects without a lot of sniping on a thread SPECIFICALLY STARTED WITH THE WORDS

"No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small businesses, social departments, and ordinary people?"

I despair of some of you, I really do. And we say so often that Westminster is like a school playground!

Come off it, elegran. You sound like an old-fashioned school marm.
If you do not want discord, don't start a thread on a day when half the voting population are really upset.
It's not a game.

If anyone says, "She started it, it wasn't me" their pocket money will be docked for a fortnight and their I-Pads confiscated. So play bonny!

It doesn't matter when a thread is atarted, it always ends up with friction and backbiting. There are other threads to scrap on, dj, no need for all of them to be poisoned!

An oldfashioned schoolmarm is exactly what is needed if you can't exert some self-discipline.

Elegran - a lot of people are very distressed indeed about this outcome. Likening it to a school playground is minimising it in a way that I didn't think you would.

Perhaps the 72% of the population that couldn't be bothered to vote hold some responsibility for what has happened, whether you agree with the outcome or not.