Ok, we are out, what now?

elegran you are misjudging the mood. If it was a month down the line maybe those that voted remain may be more willing to reconciliation, but as I said on another thread the outers never accepted our European status and were a pain in the ass for 40 years, so to expect people like me to roll over and play fair is unrealistic to say the least.

I think the vote is an utter dogs dinner. I will never accept that it is the right thing to do. I have no idea what I want a post EU Britain to look like. In fact I don't want it and never will. I have no respect for any of the lead characters of the leave campaign, I am not convinced of their integrity, honesty or ability.

I am not in the playground I am a thinking individual who loathes what has happened.

God knows and the Brexit bunch don't know either ...... they have no plan. It's a shambles. Very disappointed in the vote. I noticed a large vote for Remain came from the young voters ...... wonder why a lot of our generation said they would vote leave for their children / grandchildren ?

Milly

Wrong way round !

72 per cent turned out to vote. 28% didn't, best turn out since 1992 and more than voted to go into the EU in 1973 (64% and 36%).

kiligran I wondered that as well. Both DC voted to remain, but DGC are too young to vote. In our family all the elders voted remain as well. In fact I do not know anyone of voting age who voted exit. But I live in Oxforshire where the remain vote won the day.

Merlot- all the TVs and press of the world- and all our friends from all over the world who have been in touch today. Have you seen other world tv channels today, or newspapers?

We are not just exiting Europe, we are probably about to see the break up of the United Kingdom. Scotland will push for a referendum and try to join the EU. Ireland will see a return to secure and hostile borders between north and south and Northern Ireland will find itself sandwiched between Ireland and Scotland, both in the EU. England and Wales will indeed become insignificant on the world stage. That makes me very angry and resentful of people who have put us in this place for their own selfish ambitions. Today is not the day to expect people to be calm and measured. Some of us are gutted and fearful for the future for our children and grandchildren.

kiligran - this is just the point I don't understand. if you have a lot of young people young enough to take advantage of all Europe offers, then you don't vote to deny them that prospect.
I' m listening to German radio and TV and they seem determined to not to let the Uk get away with anything too easily as it might tempt others. The advantages are for the payers and its no surprise, they want the money services in Frankfurt.
They have spent a billion Euros on Wales. Did the Welsh know that? Who s paying now?

So much information is now leaking out, too late. Farage was right on one thing. VW and BMW are desperate to keep their cars going into the Uk so you can rest assured that there will always be a new BMW to drive even if it is a bit dearer!
It might be different with the ALDI yoghurts.

Can somebody please tell me is it a pure FACT that the figures produced are correct and undistiputable when reporting the age / sex/ political parties? and how they voted.

Are the FACTS undisputable or are they guess work by pollsters?

Are the FACTS undisputable and if so how do they source the information?

I understand how easy it is to see how the constituencies voted but I genuinely am asking how do they establish or know FACTUAL information is being reported.

Of course they are distressed. Does anyone think that I am not distressed? I voted to remain and fully expected that to be a majority decision - not a landslide but a majority for the sensible course and not for throwing away many years of carefully negotiated relationships and accumulated work and social legislation because the global situation had intruded into our world. We are all upset.

But that doesn't mean that we have to squabble about who ON HERE is at fault. I began this thread as an alternative to the many threads that already existed for that, in the hope that enmity could be sublimated in a spot of creative thinking, but it seems that personal squabbles take precedence.

I have two new books to read. That'll be more effective sublimation.

Well put Magsymoo. 70 years of peace and prosperity were quite boring weren't they, who needs security eh?

The UK will break up and we will be little england again, yey...

the outers never accepted our European status and were a pain in the ass for 40 years,

Are you lumping ALL the Brexit voters together in that statement, whitewave?

What about those of us who agonised over which way to vote and only made a decision when finally sure.

Any outers who have never accepted our European status had a right to vote and vote they did.

We should all move on and quit griping.

Thank you POGS didn't read what I posted. That would,have made quite a difference to the outcome wouldn't it.!!!

The only constructive thing I can think of is that the police push forward with the tory election fraud allegations and it is proved that the tories didn't even have a mandate to call this referendum in the first place.

Just one example out of 1000s out there- the last one sent by a friend from California, excuse the 'w' word, not my choice

Borowitz Report

British Lose Right to Claim That Americans Are Dumber
By Andy Borowitz , 10:37 A.M.





Photograph by Jack Taylor / Getty

LONDON (The Borowitz Report)—Across the United Kingdom on Friday, Britons mourned their long-cherished right to claim that Americans were significantly dumber than they are.

Luxuriating in the superiority of their intellect over Americans’ has long been a favorite pastime in Britain, surpassing in popularity such games as cricket, darts, and snooker.

But, according to Alistair Dorrinson, a pub owner in North London, British voters have done irreparable damage to the “most enjoyable sport this nation has ever known: namely, treating Americans like idiots.”

“When our countrymen cast their votes yesterday, they didn’t realize they were destroying the most precious leisure activity this nation has ever known,” he said. “Wankers.”

In the face of this startling display of national idiocy, Dorrinson still mustered some of the resilience for which the British people are known. “This is a dark day,” he said. “But I hold out hope that, come November, Americans could become dumber than us once more.”

Andy Borowitz is a New York Times best-selling author and a comedian who has written for The New Yorker since 1998. He writes the Borowitz Report for newyorker.com.

Yes I have been watching the TV granjura but obviously I haven't been in touch with all your friends from all over the world.

From now on, just out of interest, I will make a note of all those countries who think we're a laughing stock.

No of course not. I am talking about the Tories known as " the bastards"

And no I am in no mood to move on. Where to? And no I will not stop criticising the vote.

If we were robots we would. But we're not. Many of us feel as if we're in mourning. By all means be cheerful and practical but don't assume we're all ready to do that.

Margaret X

What is the feeling in Germany regarding the German DBI comment please.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060

the outers never accepted our European status and were a pain in the ass for 40 years...

Really? Why didn't we hear anything about this during the campaign? I wonder how many people knew anything about grudges beng kept for so long. I voted to stay out, but accepted the majority vote and got on with my life!

You asked for positive ideas about the future and I'm waiting for the Brexiters to tell us what is constructive about leaving and what positive things they hoped for. I haven't heard any either before or after the vote. I'm afraid I can't suggest anything good.

Further up someone mentioned doing a trade deal and then invoking article 50 - has to be the other way round - no serious trade talks can start till we are out and according to the EU politicians today they have no intention of giving the UK an easy ride or special concessions. During the night someone from BMW was interviewed and said of course they would want to sell cars to the UK but maybe with tariffs!
Way back when the referendum was announced the EU ministers also said there would be a committee set up to deal with the exit and the UK would not actually have a seat in the committee - we shall see if they stick to that.
Going out in a few minutes to meet up with the French locals and hopefully have a nice evening together.!!

ana these bastards were the ones that forced the referendum, by threatening to to jump ship to UKIP These bastards were the ones that gave Major so much grief. These bastards gave Thatcher a hard time over Maastricht. 40 bloody years.

WW

Are they Bastards in your opinion who voted Leave in Durham, Derby, Sunderland, Merthyr Tydfil, Swansea, Plymouth etc.

No try to stir Pogs. You know exactly what I am talking about

POGS YouGov have a very good explanantion of how they undetake their surveys at yougov.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/assessing-impact-turnout-eu-referendum/ while another site explains the significance of margins of error. www.comres.co.uk/our-work/margin-of-error-calculator/. Whatever reputable pollsters do, it is not guess work.

However DD, a television sub-titler, whose job means that she sees and listens carefully to an awful lot of news every day has set herself up as a pollster who undertakes no interviews, speaks to no voters and ignores eerybody elses opinion. She also puts her money where her mouth is and places money on her predictions. She got the general election vote last year spot-on and the same with Brexit. She usually wagers £2 on the result and won nearly £100 last year and £11 last night. Her big advantage is that she is politically neutral and has no natural affinity to any party.