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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jun-16 22:09:03

I haven't a clue what that actually means in real money.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jun-16 22:10:17

That was all to Emily Harburn btw.

durhamjen Fri 24-Jun-16 22:11:43

My Danish daughter in law has had lots of phonecalls from family and friends. Denmark do not want to follow us. It's just their right wing party putting out the message. Worse and smaller than Ukip.

M0nica Fri 24-Jun-16 22:15:20

I think opinion polls have shown that anti EU sentiment in Denmark is much wider than just their extreme right wing party.

durhamjen Fri 24-Jun-16 22:16:34

www.thelocal.dk/20160616/brexit-denmark-wont-follow-uk-out-of-eu

varian Fri 24-Jun-16 22:53:03

durhamjen What happened in the northeast?

Leticia Fri 24-Jun-16 22:54:37

I can't think of anything constructive at the moment- I am so appalled by what has happened to our country.

durhamjen Fri 24-Jun-16 23:01:07

Newcastle was the only place in the NorthEast to vote to remain, and that was only by just over 50%. Durham voted 60% to leave. When Northumberland numbers came in, that was the area that tipped leave over the line.
On the news tonight they were interviewing people from Hartlepool who said that they could not see how things could get worse so they were voting to leave to get rid of Cameron.
There are 20 large companies listed on the stock exchange. They have lost over £1.52 billion in less than a day.
Nissan hasn't said what it is going to do yet. It is keeping options open.

varian Fri 24-Jun-16 23:01:30

I totally agree Leticia - it seems to be a lose-lose situation. I cannot think of any way we can possibly be better off. I hope I am wrong.

durhamjen Fri 24-Jun-16 23:05:15

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/leave-campaigners-suggest-pledges-may-not-upheld/

Who else thinks they made a mistake?

varian Fri 24-Jun-16 23:07:53

Durhamjen At one time I lived in the NE of England - Labour stronghold then .

These people have suffered a lot of hardship - traditional heavy industry declining since the Thatcher years, austerity imposed by the current government, but the one positive thing has been the investment by the EU and foreign companies like Nissan who had confidence in the area because Britain was in the EU.

Why did so many NE voters fall for the Brexit lies?

Ginny42 Fri 24-Jun-16 23:08:28

I see the petition mentioned earlier has now reached in excess of 300,000 signatures.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Leticia Fri 24-Jun-16 23:10:16

I hope that I am wrong too.
We should never have been asked. A woman yesterday was voting because she wanted the old style light bulbs back!! (Some hope) A man thought he would now be offered housing- not sure which planet he is living on!
Lots of people are going to be disappointed when it doesn't pan out as they expect. I have signed a petition that wants to hold them to the promise of £350m a week to the NHS (a promise now called 'a mistake'.)I don't expect anything from it- in fact I expect the NHS to die. We are going to be stuck with the most right wing government ever.

Anniebach Fri 24-Jun-16 23:13:37

varian, same for South Wales except we don't have big businesses coming here, too far on the end of the country

Leticia Fri 24-Jun-16 23:13:50

I am quite heartened to come on here and find that people are equally devastated - I am fed up being told that the over 65s have destroyed the future for their children and grandchildren but am forced by the statistics to find that it was my age group that swung it to leave.

Welshwife Fri 24-Jun-16 23:14:03

Daniel Hannan on BBC has just said that the leave never said leaving the EU would cut migration to less than 100,000!!! He said there would still be immigrants coming here to work! Evan Davis got a tad het up about this!

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 24-Jun-16 23:14:36

Did anyone else see Angela Merkel on the news? I thought it looked like she was only just keeping it together, you could hear the emotion in her voice.

I was just thinking the same thing as Granny2016 and wish the vote was not so close. I would have found it easier to take if one side had won a decisive victory. I also wish Scotland wasn't a unanimous vote to stay in the EU. This has created a very divisive situation.

I worry at the responses coming from Russia -

Sergei Sobyanin, the mayor of Moscow, also raised the prospect of looser sanctions in the wake of the vote, saying that "without Great Britain in the EU, no one will so zealously defend the sanctions against us".

Among other senior Russian diplomats to respond to the vote was Boris Titov, a Kremlin insider, who said in a Facebook post that the "most important long-term consequence of all this is that the exit will take Europe away from the anglo-saxons, meaning from the USA".

He added: "It's not the independence of Britain from Europe, but the independence of Europe from the USA."

Welshwife Fri 24-Jun-16 23:20:11

yes I saw her - and Hollander, Tusck and Juncker.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jun-16 23:21:21

Yes, I sa he. Very sad. I think she is fond of DC.

durhamjen Fri 24-Jun-16 23:43:57

Last Wednesday, I drove up the coastal route to Amble, and saw a new park of wind turbines. They would be with EU money. This government has cut back on subsidies for renewables. Blyth is a centre for renewable research.
If it wasn't for the EU, the north east would be sending money down to London and getting very little of it back.
Hitachi are building new trains. In the north east, a lot of ours are converted buses, even though the new trains are being built up here.
We still do a lot of the manufacturing but do not have the money to buy the goods we manufacture. The north east is the only part of the country that exported more than it imported, and most to the EU.

Ginny42 Fri 24-Jun-16 23:59:23

I hope the mood doesn't turn really angry as people realise the promises made to secure their votes are now being denied or proved to have been lies and undeliverable.

Whilst some of us are angry and feeling fearful of the uncertain future, we don't want anger spilling out onto the streets of our towns and cities.

daphnedill Fri 24-Jun-16 23:59:53

@jingle

I think Merkel is genuinely fond of union and co-operation. She likes the British and respects us and is probably genuinely sad at what's happened. Don't forget her background. She was born in West Germany, but brought up in East Germany. German re-unification was a genuinely emotional time for her. She has also done more than perhaps any other Chancellor along with Brandt to come to terms with Germany's past. I think that allowing so many immigrants into Germany was a genuine attempt to atone for Germany's history.

Merkel is under considerable pressure in Germany for her stance on immigration. She also has to keep her coalition partners happy. She has done a great deal to keep Germany stable, especially as there is a frightening rise in neo-Nazism in the former East German states. She has always admired the UK's stability and I suspect she really is sad. The UK was in many ways Germany's natural ally.

varian Sat 25-Jun-16 00:01:18

durhamjen what you seem to be saying is that the NE has had a good deal from the EU but a bad deal from the British government - so why vote to leave the EU?

daphnedill Sat 25-Jun-16 00:12:49

It's baffling isn't it, varian? I have a number of Facebook friends from the North East (mainly distant cousins) and, without exception they were pro-Leave. They're not unemployed and poor - quite the opposite in fact. They all have well-paid jobs and, because housing is so cheap in the North East, many have holiday homes in Spain, France or Greece. I know that at least one is a Conservative supporter.

I've read their posts on Facebook and it seems that they are totally disillusioned with a London-centric government and Brussels is even more distant. I detect xenophobia and there have been problems with some groups of immigrants, who have joined the gang culture in some places. From what I've read, this is nothing new, because there have always been problems with white British gangs.

My impression is that the 'take back control' mantra had an effect, but I'm at a loss to understand what they think they're going to be controlling. Control without any power or wealth is, I fear, going to be a very hollow victory.

Ginny42 Sat 25-Jun-16 00:24:07

I think there are a range of reasons. I was at a party last weekend mostly local business people in Cheshire, one police officer, one or two retired people and me(education). I said we have the 5th highest economy and we've done that through trading with our European neighbours and with the rest of the world, what's wrong with that?

Their answer? - We want more.