Ok, we are out, what now?

He used to be in charge of environment agency and is a climate change denier, talk about a conflict of interest.

Tell me about it Whitewave! He got sacked as NI minister, then from Environment, where he also introduced badger culling and delayed banning the importation of ash trees so speeding up the disease affecting them now. We are losing a whole GP practice with 4000 people and nowhere for us to sign on because all local practices are full - but he's doing nothing about it. Unfortunately this is the constituency with the largest Conservative majority in the UK so there's nothing to be done. Biffen was the MP before him

For goodness sake . Blame game, he said /she said, abusive name calling, disingenuous partisan politics etc. etc.

It will require 'progressive' , mature dialogue between the EU and the UK to stabilise the markets, assure trade continues between the EU and the UK which benefits ALL the 28 countries WHICH ARE STILL MEMBERS OF THE EU .

What it does not require is for politicians/financial elite to act irratically, put the politics of the European Union before the commerce of the European Union then there might be a reasonable outcome.

I think it makes sense for a different vision of the European Union to the Treaties of the past, it is evolving throughout Europe and some countries such as Germany and France relish the Ever Closer Union/Federal State of Europe, others particularly the UK never have nor will do.

There is a way to 'give something to everybody' but it will not happen if politicians go down the root of anger , hurt and downright hatred which only serves to damage not only the UK but the 'peoples' of the EU also. The political elite in the EU will always be OK but that worm is turning and they know that!!!!!!

Observer

"The fact that the Brexiters seem utterly unprepared is deeply worrying. At the very real risk is Britains future economic wellbeing, it's trade and exports, it's jobs and incomes, it's social cohesion and its reputation and standing in the world"

Seems to me that they are all going down the pan.

It is just possible that they are all at a meeting together, busily finalising all the detailed plans that they had been making for months and allocating who is going to do what.

On the other hand, they may have taken a large bottle of whisky into a locked room, with the blinds down and the phone off the hook.

I reckon they are under their comfort blanket sucking their thumbs

According to Stanley Johnson, the Johnson family were playing cricket yesterday. Very important, he thought.

I would hope so Elegran.

Heads need knocking between the EU and the UK.

Adding to my previous post, I am fed up with the thought everything is hunky dory in the rest of the EU.

Take Freedom of Movement and the point that any renegotiations would mean we would have to accept the Schengen Agreement, 6 countries Germany, Denmark, Sweden, France, Austria, Norway have Temporary Border Controls.

Workers Rights, France has been disrupted for months due to riots , strikes , not because of EU dictact but because of the decision by the French Government. Some of the points raised by Labour especially have been actually a reason why the UK workers have lost jobs and wages have not risen, people see through it.

Economy, France is in trouble because of the riots and strikes,(unions take note), Italy, Spain , Portugal not doing very well and Greece has just been bailed out again.

Employment. Lowest, Czech Republic 4.1% Germany 4.2 %. Highest Greece 24.2%, Spain 20.1%. .

Youth unemployment Greece 48.9%, Spain 45.3%, Croatia 40.3%, Italy 39%. Germany 6.9%,

What has happened in the UK referendum HAS TO BE A WAKE UP CALL for the political elite not only in the UK but for the EU too. They should see this is a time for reflection honesty and take an opportunity to work together to enhance cooperation between nations , listen to the voices of the people and not their own tiny bubble .

POGS despite what you might have read, the strikes in France have been limited to a minority of members one union, the CGT. We have had a few days of blocked roads, blocked bridges and blocked refineries, some disruption to rail travel and a week or so of fuel shortages. This has been spread across France, not everywhere, and in terms of sustained disruption, it has not been a big deal.
People here shrug and say "bof".
I know it all looks very dramatic on the English news, but it really isn't. Here in Normandy we have been more affected than most, but apart from having to avoid a couple of demos and topping up when we saw fuel for a few days, it hasn't had a huge impact.
Entirely normal for France.

Don't you think we know all that pogs?

We rather thought that we as a union could tackle these problems together.

Instead we have jumped ship, and in doing so shot ourselves in the foot

Mamie

The English news has hardly covered it.

www.france24.com/en/tag/strike/

Yes the demo in Paris was nasty, I agree. But "violence engulfing France" in that report is a ridiculous exaggeration. It really hasn't been that widespread or sustained.

Whitewave

Well 'I' would think so but then again there has been so many posters using vitriolic rhetoric calling people 'thick' 'uneducated' maybe they don't.

I wasn't trying to point score I am giving a reason as to why 'I' believe the political elite need to heed the warning signs for ALL our sakes. Nothing more, nothing less.

There are an awful lot of people who are very disillusioned for an awful lot of different reasons, and Brexit have managed to recruit them all by making the EU the scapegoat for everything.

Got no job? Blame the EU.
Got no house? Blame the EU.
Don't like foreigners? Blame the EU.
Suffered in the credit crunch? Blame the EU.
Don't like politicians? Blame the EU.
Want more spent on the NHS? Blame the EU.
Don't like bureaucracy? Blame the EU.
Not enough motherhood & apple pie? Blame the EU.

Not a member of the EU? Never mind, muslims and Mexicans will do.

If any of the 'Remain' camp would like to add their names to the petition re. voting for another referendum (I know, it's a long shot but this agreement was mooted months ago) a petition is available here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

There have been over three million signatures in two days. Please consider adding your name and forwarding on to others if this is your view.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

Sorry, whitewave, I just had to put this on.

Brain not working at the moment. I meant sorry, Anniebach.

Candelle, we have been signing that for days.
However, I have noticed that someone is trying to sabotage that
petition.
People are asking anyone to vote and giving them their postcodes. It is checkable, as you are asked for name, email and postcode. Apparently people in Australia and Iceland have been signing it using old postcodes from when they used to live here.
I hope someone gets fined for it. Misrepresentation is a serious offence.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/petition-for-second-eu-referendum-may-have-been-manipulated

I think we need to have it sorted before next year's Eurovision. Otherwise we are definitely going to get no points.

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/06/tory-cllr-wrote-he-donated-the-steam-of-my-pss-to-the-jo-cox-memorial-fund/

I bet this man voted leave.
I hope he loses his job and is so reviled he has to move.

We don't deserve any points.

I'm not entirely convinced that the vote is mainly based on class. Certainly the working class have been hit very hard by austerity measures, many feel marginalised and want to blame someone. As usually, it is easier to blame Mr Khan or Mr Kowalski next door than the politicians, the financiers or the media moguls....However, in the area where I live, the city (which includes some very tough housing estates, including one that's been labelled "the worse sink estate in Europe") voted to remain whereas all the posh rural areas, ie the pretty villages filled with chartered accountants, bankers, solicitors, etc, voted to leave. There's a lot of middle class racists out there, for a start - Nigel Farage isn't the only one.

Nor do many of us who voted to remain belong to a supposed elite. I live in the Midlands, most of my education is self-taught and I've never had much money, but I voted to stay because I wanted my kids and grandkids to enjoy peace, stability, job protection and the opportunity to travel as citizens of Europe. Instead, our generation has taken those benefits away from them at a single stroke.

According to Laura Kuenssberg, someone has leaked documents to the BBC purporting to show that Corbyn has deliberately sabotaged the referendum.

It doesn't surprise me, I've thought for a long while that he was keeping his head down so that he could come out on the winning side after the vote.