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Ok, we are out, what now?

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Elegran Fri 24-Jun-16 07:49:53

The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.

What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?

Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.

Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)

The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 15:47:40

That wellknown Tory, Laura Kuenssberg?

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 15:54:52

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/06/26/why-we-will-have-a-recession-and-it-may-be-a-big-one/

This is what now.

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 16:04:56

@Bluecat

I agree with you. I'm still struggling to understand any patterns. I live in Essex, which is solidly Leave, but it's a relatively wealthy county, apart from the coastal towns, which are dumping grounds for DWP clients. My constituency was nearly 50/50 (but still leave) and we're one of the wealthiest in the country with a very low number of immigrants.

On the other hand, Merseyside voted Remain. I come from Merseyside and still have family there. There are pockets of real deprivation and high unemployment, so I don't understand why they didn't vote Leave.

I'm surprised Birmingham voted Leave.

It does seem that some of the small/medium towns and rural areas voted Leave without the arguments about austerity, etc. Immigration was the only other big argument.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 16:26:01

"Ultimately it looks like Labour still managed to get 2/3 of its voters to voter Remain [I’ll check this but that’s what YouGov said earlier]. So the major failure is Cameron’s. It looks like the Tory vote broke 60/40 to Brexit"

Paul Mason.

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 17:22:43

Well I guess if calling BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg a Tory , it is worth saying.

Paul Mason. That well known ex Marxist. confused

rosesarered Sun 26-Jun-16 17:33:01

grin

Gracesgran Sun 26-Jun-16 17:36:51

Ken Livingstone has just commented on the tiny percentage of TV coverage time that went to covering the Labour "remain" speeches and meetings and, quite rightly in my view said that the majority of cover went to the Tory fighting.

I would add that the TV journalists were very lazy, expecting everyone to come to them rather than going out an finding what people were really talking about.

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 17:37:10

For anybody interested listening to a debate beyond the confines of the Gransnet squabble I thought Dateline London on BBC News today was interesting. Worth a watch for a different perspective rather than partisan politics and spin.

The following were debating:-

Alex Deane, Conservative Commentator.
Thomas Kielinger, German political journalist , Die Velt
Stephanie Baker, Blomberg News.
Agnes Poirier, French Journalist.

Interesting they thought Junker was the wrong man for the job.

durhamjen Sun 26-Jun-16 17:39:22

Well known ex Marxist still had a vote,same as you and me, and Laura.

According to yougov, the north got more votes out than the south.

Gracesgran Sun 26-Jun-16 17:41:29

I enjoy the information I get from what you call the "Gransnet squabble" POGS, thank you, but I am your suggestion will interest some.

whitewave Sun 26-Jun-16 17:43:10

Saw it pogs not sure of your point though there was only one Brig. and he was right wing Tory, the rest were from foreign publications

Candelle Sun 26-Jun-16 17:47:03

Hi durhamjen. I thought I would re-post the petition as this post has so many pages and the original link was pages ago. The idea was to possibly save people scrolling through searching for it.

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 18:09:32

Whitewave

That was why I found it interesting, perhaps somebody else might too.

It is interesting to hear voices from those outside of the UK, but obviously that is my thought not yours.

Durhamjen

Precisely the point I was making, for every snipe/sarcastic comment you can throw in one persons direction, as you did with Kuenssberg, there is another that can be thrown to balance the initial snipe/sarcastic comment.

POGS Sun 26-Jun-16 18:11:21

Gracesgran

Then just don't watch it, simple.

Lazigirl Sun 26-Jun-16 18:11:41

Apparently an Oxford Law professor Derrick Wyatt QC has suggested that legally it may be in doubt whether it is necessary for Article 50 to be activated by formal letter or notification from our PM. He is saying that it is possible that just by DC meeting to discuss with members of EC Council and D Tusk next Tuesday, he is in effect, though not explicitly, signalling Brexit! An interesting observation, posted on BBC News site.

Legs55 Sun 26-Jun-16 19:47:04

PRINTMISS a sensible reasoned post. I believe we all & by all I mean Institutions, Government, Business & us as Individuals - we can again become Great Britain. OK Financial Markets went a bit haywire on Friday but have since recovered to same level as February they just hit panic button because they did not plan for Leave vote. Governor of Bank of England made a very sensible speech (they had planned for whichever way the vote went) & this will help to steady the markets. It will definitely take time for the dust to settle but we must accept the result whether it's what you wished for - no falling out with friends as I believe is happening. Here's hoping for a bright future.

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 19:49:59

Great Britain is a geographical term to describe England, Wales and Scotland - just saying.

Anniebach Sun 26-Jun-16 20:16:12

The entire referendum campaign was the blue on blue infighting and the usual racist rants frim Fsrsge.

What is so unfair is the members of the Senydd only had five weeks to campaign, England first again

obieone Sun 26-Jun-16 20:30:26

Why did they only have 5 weeks?

granjura Sun 26-Jun-16 20:44:39

obione, please tell me. Where are your friends now, Gove, Boris, Patel and co? They've been in our face for weeks- and they have just vanished. Gone.

We ahve questions to ask them on our future?

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 20:51:55

obione, please tell me. Where are your friends now, Gove, Boris, Patel and co?
To be fair, 17,410,741 other people voted the same way that obieone says she voted
And I don't know if she ever said that she knows them personally

Presumably trying to cobble together a plan for our future.

Ana Sun 26-Jun-16 20:56:45

Boris has been shown on the news arriving for a meeting at his 'country retreat' with other Conservative party members. He hasn't 'disappeared'.

obieone Sun 26-Jun-16 20:58:15

I dont know a thing about Patel.
Gove Boris friends! ha ha [grin}

As I have said at least twice on gransnet, it is the weekend. Politians of all persuasions love their weekends and holidays. And as I have said before, they do not even come back to Britain in a hurry for riots. And having a think about it, nor when a large employer in their constituency is in financial trouble.

rosesarered Sun 26-Jun-16 20:58:16

Probably all catching up on sleep, it IS the weekend after all.

Jane10 Sun 26-Jun-16 20:58:23

He prioritised a game of cricket yesterday I gather. Impressive.