Ok, we are out, what now?

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Apparently people in Australia and Iceland have been signing it using old postcodes from when they used to live here.

Well, DD is still eligible to vote even though she lives overseas

To register as an overseas voter, British citizens must have been registered in a UK constituency less than 15 years ago
UK expats are voting by post, by appointing someone to vote on their behalf or in person at their home polling station if they are visiting the UK
Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - do not get to vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU.
Malta and Cyprus are both Commonwealth countries

So, if they voted, they must be eligible to sign the petition too.

Sigh...

I thought about high fiving you rosesarered!

someone has leaked documents to the BBC purporting to show that Corbyn has deliberately sabotaged the referendum.
Well, I did think he was mightily embarrassed to do a U turn and come out on the Remain side.

I heard on Question Time, someone saying that only 400,000 on the petition are eligible to vote in the referendum. I do not remember who said it, and dont know how accurate that is.

Read Rohan Silva in today's Sunday Times - cut corporation tax to make UK the best business location; cut business tax rates to boost small business confidence, and ; make it easier for the most talented people in the world to live here and contribute to our economy.

We may be daunted by the result, but that's democracy for you. Embrace the change and the challenge, unite - don't bicker and look forward, not back

Ha, ha (hollow laughter). Not much chance of that on here, PPP...

If documents realy have been released to the BBC it should be said who leaked them or whose papers they are, I have no time for 'sources close to' or ' I was talking to a member of X party and he told me ' . No different to me lying and saying I have received a PM from someone who posts a lot on this forum and they told X.Y.Z . From this forum have planned to cause rows here .

constitution-unit.com/2016/06/24/the-road-to-brexit-16-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-process-of-leaving-the%e2%80%afeu/

Obieone, the allegation that only 400'000 in the petition are eligible to vote was the chap from UKIP !

@PPP

Very nice of central government to suggest cutting business taxes, as local authorities have been told they can keep their business taxes to fund social care, etc.

Who's going to fund social care for the elderly and disabled?

Apparently the House of Commons is monitoring the petition for fraudulent activity. If only electoral expenses were investigated so quickly!

We have to pay for them ourselves, daphne. Otherwise the workhouse.
Over 3547,000 signatures now. I can't believe that over 3000000 are fake.

Thanks for that last very interesting article Durhamjen. There is going to be a lot of midnight oil burnt in Whitehall for some years. Leaving the EU is such a complicated task. Gives me a headache just thinking about it?

Thanks, Jud. Good to know that somebody else reads them. Strangely enough we do not have a constitution, but people take notice of the Constitution Unit.

"The Constitution Unit conducts timely, rigorous, independent research into constitutional change and its consequences. Our research has significant real-world impact, informing policy-makers engaged in constitutional reform both in the United Kingdom and around the world."

Hopefully Brexit will take notice of these experts, but I am not holding my breath. I wonder who they will take notice of.

Just heard Boris say that those EU citizens living here and UK citizens living in the EU have their rights protected.

"First will be the negotiation of the withdrawal terms themselves. These will likely include, for example, an agreement on the rights of UK citizens already resident in other member states and of EU citizens resident in the UK. As Professor Sionaidh Douglas-Scott has explained, those rights – contrary to what some have said – are for the most part not protected under existing international law."

This is from the Constitution Unit.
He's not listening to them, then.

EU money has been crucial over the years to the success of businesses and regeneration projects in most of our severely deprived areas. It has given work to those who have skills already but because of their caring responsibilities been prevented from moving to/working in different geographical areas. It has given hope to countless young people by providing skills/education/training to enable them to become financially independent. It is therefore really important that any funds we do not now pay out to Brussels continue to support such worthwhile schemes away from Westminster - as well as improving our NHS. And the people who live in and know those areas should be able to decide what schemes are worthwhile and how best to enable them to continue. We must speak up for our children's futures. What has happened has made more of the younger generation distrust us.

"That wellknown Tory, Laura Kuenssberg?"

If the point at issue is whether documents have been leaked, then it ought to be obvious that you don't prove they haven't by proving that Kuenssberg is a Tory. The calendar leaked to Huffpost shows him either on holiday of not campaigning for 27 out of the 52 days leading up to the referendum.

Corbyn allies counter the criticism by saying that he was more in tune with Labour voters’ worries about the EU than many of his own MPs and that his ‘reluctant Remainer’ stance was in tune with much of the nation.

What a barmy argument. If you're trying to get people to vote Remain you need to persuade them, not agree with the ones who are reluctant. This is typical of the looney left, they think the way to win elections is by preaching to the converted rather than by persuading floating voters. It's the same now with the leadership, he thinks the answer is to be popular with the extremists who elected him rather than with the floating voters who could win him the next election.

"Interesting they thought Junker was the wrong man for the job."

Juncker didn't exactly do the EU any favours by flouncing out when Katya Adler asked him if other countries might follow Britain.

Apparently the petitions committee have disallowed 77,000 names but that still leaves over 3 million genuine ones.

The allegation that only 400,000 are genuine is yet another lie from UKIP

Voters give Boris enough rope to hang himself.

crun, I agree with you about the left preaching to the converted, and not reaching out to others.

I couldn't believe it on here that talking for hours about listening to a 25 minute, was the way they thought would persuade people who didn't know how to vote, to vote remain, in the days right before the referendum vote. Or even getting me to listen to it all. What good was that supposed to do?

Well, it might have enlightened you about what you were about to vote on, ob. It did clarify things in some people's minds, they posted saying how readable and logical it was.

Did you object as much to the Sun telling you reasons to vote one way or another, with less objectivity or inside knowledge, and a lot of myths?

Not all those urging you to read it were from the left, by the way. About equal left and right, with several who didn't say which way they leaned, as far as I can remember.

This has NOT been a vote that went by party allegiances.

Varian I, personally know, 3 people who do not have EU citizenship who have voted on that petition. Three might not seem very many, but my circle of friends and acquaintances is not that extensive so that's quite significant.