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Ok, we are out, what now?
(840 Posts)The vote is in, we are to leave the EU. Deep breath, everyone, a new start begins today.
What needs to be done now? No recriminations allowed, no ranting, please. Constructive ideas only for what steps we should take now - we meaning the government, the legal bods, the negotiators, the banks, large and small busineeses, social departments, and orfinary people?
Bear in mind that it will take two years to settle the divorce details, then we have to begin creating a new relationship with the single market of the EU, if we are to buy and sell anything with them, after which new partners might will want to negotiate deals with us. Time scale unknown, but likely to take years. They could be lean years, our credit rating has gone down instantly, and our £ notes won't buy as much abroad at the moment. Better get a taste for British-grown food.
Meanwhile through and after the divorce we have to feed the children (without any alimony, just on our own efforts, and without the inlaws helping us to get orders any more)
The au pairs and the chars will soon go home, which means we'll have to do things ourselves which we used to let them do - look after our aged relations, nurse us after operations, and so on. On the plus side, that should mean we will be needed in those jobs, if we want them.
The legality of the vote.
jackofkent.com/2016/06/five-legal-points-about-the-leave-victory/
Yes Brexit promised the world now they have to deliver.
Oh dear. One of my children is delighted and the other has gone off the deep end and is posting offensive comments on Facebook. We never brought our children up to be rude - or even to discuss politics in public. The Affronted One (offended by the British electorate exercising their democratic right) is taking it all personally and will not now talk to her parents. She doesn't even know how we voted or that one vote cancelled out the other.
The key factor in so many areas seems to have been fear of immigrants, a wholly unjustified fear given the actual tiny numbers that make it in to the UK.
This is deeply depressing.
We really need to attack the mentality that led to Jo Cox's murder, but this mindset seems to be holding sway.
Not every person who voted Leave is a fascist and racist, but all fascists and racists voted Leave.
The areas of the North East
that voted Leave are typically monocultural with deep levels of ignorance, I know, I live here. For now, anyway.
So the money men are racking it in and once again we are paying.
It wasn't only the North East that voted to leave, you know. How about insulting some other areas while you are at it?
I like Anya,s first post. I was concerned that the immigrants in this country would be mistreated now.
Luckygirl, positive or not, unfortunately Skullduggery is right about what we have to look forward to. It is very hard to feel positive today when some of us don't recognise our country any more. I still remember the excitement I felt as a teenager when we joined the then EEC. It meant we were part of a great idea of internationalism. Now I feel as though we have bolted the door on Europe and indeed the world. My country as I know it has been stolen. What saddens me most is that 70% of 18-25 year olds voted to remain. And the biggest group of leavers - yes, us. I feel ashamed that their future has been betrayed by our generation, as this country has just made the most monumental mistake. Possibly in its history. So, please forgive some of us if we are too broken hearted to 'move on' just yet. The only positive thing would be if I woke up now and it was all a dream - sorry, nightmare.
Exactly, Cindy.
Many people, rather than choose to educate, chose instead to muddy the waters big time, as regards immigration. They thought it was in their best interests. It was not. They did immigrants a massive disservice.
I wonder if they will continue to do it.
Well obi the electorate are waiting to see a massive drop to the 10ks and it ain't going to happen.
This has made interesting tv for once. I agree that we must go along with things, stop arguing and face up to the future. Everything changes and we must be adaptable. Im looking forward to the changes. It will bring lots of work for my job
I'm not knowledgeable about politics but it feels k like we're a tiny country on our own now. Backward step.
I am in Italy at the moment. Too stunned still to think properly. but yes, this is a fact and it needs to be accepted. A good thing, I think: the Leave contingent have generally been the more sober and level-headed, so at least we will probably avoid the angry clashes (possibly violent) which I thought would happen if Brexit had lost. That is the only positive I can think of at the moment. Having lived in this country (legally!) for 45 years, I wonder what my position will be now
I can't think of anything positive. What I feel is that all the lovely people I know who are living here and come from many different countries must feel they have been kicked in the face and, even if they don't have to, will want to leave. That those who voted leave have started a downward spiral into racism and extremism they probably didn't even imagine. But of course it won't be fascism will it? because that couldn't happen here.....
Agree with you, wot.
Sorry, I meant the Remain contingent, of course!
Sorry, Florentine, the leave contingent have been the more sober and level headed?
That's why one of them is in custody for killing an MP in a terrorist attack and two are being questioned by the police for threatening to kill MPs families.
Doesn't sound very level-headed to me.
I'm still reeling from the results. For months I've agonised over which way to vote in the referendum. I couldn't give a fig for the economy, I just wanted what was best for nature and wildlife. The EU had brilliant laws protecting nature which the UK had to enforce. BUT the EU is thinking of relaxing these laws. The EU were supposed to be making their decision in April, and I was going to base their decision on how I voted. In their wisdom, however, the EU decided to postpone their decison until the autumn. I felt so exasperated that, at the last minute I voted to Leave (and also because our country does not have enough space to accommodate hundreds of thousands of extra people without tearing up yet more green places). And now Leave have won and the Prime Minister who has, in the past, poured scorn over anything 'Green', has resigned. And I just can't stop smiling 
Your jackofkent link is interesting dj - if it does turn out that the result triggers a greater willingness to negotiate and compromise on the part of the EU, then that will be a good thing - just a pity that they did not do it before.
Throughout this dreadful campaign I have always thought the immigrant issue was an irrelevance and that there were more important considerations. But the likes of Farage were bound to jump on the bandwagon.
Boris used immigration too
Nasty little man Nigel.
He has remained so calm and nice during the campaign- but in his speech this morning, frothing at the mouth and shouting- the real Nigel came through. And it wasn't a pretty sight 
As this result was in the main caused by people who are now even on these threads being labelled as thick, uneducated, morons, perhaps the way forward is to insist on future voters having to attain a certain level of education before allowing them the vote?!! or maybe perhaps listening seriously to their concerns however uneducated and spurious these concerns might be. Instead of contemptuously shoving them to one side as not worth even contemplating, maybe a bit of understanding and even sympathy might go a long way to alleviating these 'morons' fears. People by and large don't like being ignored by superior know alls as they see it!
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