Ok, we are out, what now?

Elegran I applaud your intention with this thread along the lines of, 'what can't be changed must be endured'. This vote has divided the country in many ways and I think there are steps that need to be taken quickly to ensure that those people who are now feeling disenfranchised don't turn their backs on future political engagement. My Twitter and Facebook feeds are full of young people 'blaming' us oldies for voting for an outcome that will directly affect their futures - a future they appear to have overwhelmingly voted against. Government needs to address their concerns and encourage our young people to maintain a political presence. In my view this would be a really good time for Proportional Representation to be put back on the table - right now almost 50% of people who voted feel disenfranchised and I fear for the effects of this on future voting.

Strength of caricature? Is that a Boris special?

I was shocked by the result. There has been a lot of knee-jerk voting I fear.

I now have no choice anymore so I am hoping for a strong replacement of David C and Armstrong. A lot hangs on that choice. I hope they don't go for the obvious choices. Theresa May would be good as an interim, she can be tough when she needs to be but has little charisma. This is sadly needed in these days of 24 hour news. Gove has a big No and so does Boris as they do not represent any of us. I hold out hope for a bright backbencher with energy and flair. A No Cox type.perhaps.

Jo Cox

Have just seen a thread on this further down.

Difficult to feel positive at all at the moment. I'm trying to avoid the schadenfreude induced by the thought of the Dover residents who voted for out having to deal with the French abandoning the Jungle fences, but I know it is wicked to think that. Also, if the Brits were stupid enough to vote this way I can no longer take comfort from the thought that the Americans wouldn't be stupid enough to elect Trump.

Ah, that's better. Try to think positive, as we are where we are. Theresa May would certainly be better and more steadying than Boris, the sinister buffoon or Gove, the snake. I agree that the markets will steady sooner or later, and hope that Mark Carney can help. as he seems a calm, sensible person, and we certainly need as many of those as we can get.

Alea, totally agree with your comments (every cloud ...)

what a bloody mess as WW said on another thread. The people who voted OUT are probably the ones who will lose the most...

Johnson getting a lot of boos. He has shot off in a car without making a statement.

Shall try to do as you ask, as good positive thread. The best way forward. The markets always react in such a way, the pound will bounce back. We have been through a world recession, not just a UK recession and we’re now seeing growth. That will continue. The immigrants who work here will continue to work here, doing their jobs well, largely unaffected by our EU exit. Soldiers won’t be marching into hospitals or onto farms, clapping them in irons and loading them onto planes as some seem to think. Immigration can now be controlled, in a way where overloading our NHS/schools/hospitals/benefits system can be considered with compassion but also common sense. We will not have immigration number imposed on us by Brussels. We are still members of NATO. We can still import/export. We can still travel. We can still work with EU, just not be governed by them. We can make our own laws. Laws relevant to our own country and the people who live here. Laws that can be passed quickly if necessary and not snagged up for years in EU red tape. And lastly, whoever governs out country, Tory or Labour, can now do just that. Govern out country. Without one arm held up his/her back by someone in Brussels. By the time the effects of this take plus, 2 years plus, depending upon when D. Cameron instigates it, there will be a new Conservative leader governing this country. And it seems, a new Labour one from the backlash J.Corbyn is receiving due to his pacifist stance. Both good things. Hope that’s positive for you Elegran.

They will not need soldiers to send EU citizens back to the EU. Many of them feel unwanted so will leave gladly.

breeze,

That post is pure guesswork.

There is absolutely no evidence that the pound will bounce back. The Bank of England has just announced £250bn of quantitative easing. We haven't even paid off the QE from 2008. Mar Carney has said he's prepared to provide another £600bn to ensure liquididty, which none of us will see paid off in our lifetime. I don't call that recovery! And for what?

I think the vote will trigger Indyref 2 in Scotland which had a 62% remain vote. That vote for independence may have a different outcome this time....not in some Braveheart 'Freedom' way, but a lot of people may now support Scottish independence in order to remain within the EU for the trading benefits. It will certainly make me think again.

Until article 50 is instigated the EU will not negotiate.
Did all those who voted to leave know that it will be 2020 before we see the extra money for the NHS? Chris Grayling has just said so.

Well said breeze.

Grayling hasn't said he won't stand.

If there is extra money for the NHS Jen, I doubt it

I am personally deeply affected, brokenhearted and very disappointed by this result. It is far too soon to be able to feel any positivity. At the moment my Facebook timeline is filled with blame for the over 65s, only 39% of whom voted to remain in the EU. They included me, my husband, my sister and brother-in-law, my co-grandparents in one family (though not the other).

We need time to mourn before we can start to heal.

True strength is keeping everything together when everyone expects it to fall apart. Uk is a strong democracy we will keep it together and go forward

A bit stunned, but the future? Mmm....

I'm trying to understand the "leave" decision and analyse it...so, on that basis, I reckon a short-term unsettled time in the markets, leading to maybe a falling-off in house price rises in some areas. So maybe more affordability for people entering the market. I also foresee a dropping off of cheap labour supply which may lead to better deal for existing uk workers in some sectors.

Also less red tape for businesses, which could encourage growth.

Actually, not a clue.

Has Boris given any interviews yet? I saw him being driven away very quickly when reporters were wanting to ask him questions.

Since when did people negotiate when they decided to leave a club? Either you are in or out and if I was the President of the EU or whatever group makes the final decisions I would turn to the UK government today and say thank you and goodbye and pull the plug immediately.

This would put us on the same basis as any other country that does not have any agreement with the EU and the governemtn could then negotiate our arrangements from the base line.

One of the things I found most contemptible about the Leave campaign was the way, if you really examined the leaders rhetoric, what they were really saying they wanted was all the benefits of EU membership without paying for it.

The Goves and Redwoods of this country like to think that this is what Norway has done but Norway has had to be a member of the Shengen Zone (which we are not) and their wealth has little to do with their membership, or not, of the EU and all to do with their careful husbanding of the money that has come to them from offshore oil since the 1960s, unlike Britain and so many arab states who have frittered it away sustaining uneconomic economies.

My kids have both messaged me to say that they will emigrate. There is no future for them here, with funding for scientific research now cut. I'm watching my pension pot evaporate - I shall be lucky to be able to afford to visit them once in a blue moon.
NOT in the mood to try and put sticking-plasters over this disaster. Quite tempted to bugger off myself.

Far too much doom gloom n panic today. Things will be unsettled for a while but we were on our own before the Common Market m EU n managed fine and we will again. Let's have a bit of positivity.

Britain has always been a country which is strong and brave. If everyone faces this together and pulls together instead of blaming everyone else we will be great again. Political parties in particular need to work together and listen to the people more instead of showing off to the press and tv and stirring up such trouble. Let's have a bit more caring and compassion all round and see what are the most important things in life, it's all too short.

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