Show respect

Nonnie1 Fri 24-Jun-16 12:22:20

I agree - all this "we won" stuff makes it sound like a football match but it is a change of history.

kittylester Fri 24-Jun-16 13:52:27
Of course democracy means that the vote is carried by one view but the idea that those with the alternative view should either shut or even suddenly become cheerful about it is ridiculous. I have heard outers all day rubbing up their credentials and saying how they have fought for this for twenty or twenty five years. They did not accept the previous decision did they? They made it difficult for their own party to function in many cases. Yes we are out but you really need to realise that many people will not be happy with that at least for some time and neither you nor anyone else can tell them they must be.

The last referendum was far more desisive, and yet the leave camp never stopped being a pain in the ass. The referendum is incredibly close in fact there could be an argument that if the young had all voted, the vote may well have been refused, so to expect us to suddenly accept what we see as a horrendous choice, is ridiculous. I will never accept that it was the right choice.

Not refused - reversed.

Neither will I

Show respect. To Boris Johnson and Michael Gove?
No chance.

No, dj, the rest of the electorate. Just because they don't agree with you, doesn't mean they are bad, stupid or have two heads.

But I don't just don't feel any respect for those who voted brexit.

Jinglebellsfrock we have been trying to facilitate reform for at least the last 30 years to no avail. The only reason we have lasted so long was because of the strong rebate negotiation, the non participation in the Euro and Shenghen.
We have an opportunity to lay the foundations for a more appropriate relationship which potentially could draw in those countries who never joined the EU or those which may well leave in the future.
We may be the first rat to jump the sinking ship, but we will lead the way to the shore.

Jane10 For those who have seen how the 'Britain' brand is respected throughout the world, our goods, our technology, our education, our processes, our music etc. Etc. Etc. We should have confidence in our country. I never saw brand Europe as a market force, Germany and France had minor representation.
Maybe you will come to respect those who have faith in our country and the faith and foresight to see a better global opportunity for our children, rather than the stagnant state at present.

And drown on the way, joelsnan.

theconversation.com/by-riding-the-tiger-of-populism-the-conservatives-may-have-destroyed-the-uk-61614

North East businesses have already seen £2 billion wiped off their share prices.

The local news. People saying that they may as well vote out because things can't get any worse up here.
I find that incredibly sad, and feel so angry that they feel like that.

The poor and working class have nothing to gain or lose so they just as well kick Cameron. Nothing will change for them.

I'm sorry I can't agree with you joelsnan. I think this country is fading fast. I don't actually like this country at the moment.

Durhamjen Check your facts, despite initial falls in the finance sector, the closing situation shows only minimal losses. Those who continue with the chest beating and pessimism will be the ones to cause financial instability. I would have thought you who purports to be the socialist conscience of this site would appreciate the opportunity to facilitate change for the better when not tethered to the dictat of the financial institutes and management consultants that direct the EU, or are you a pseudo socialist?

Jinglebellsfrock I am sad that you feel that way. I am sad that as a nation we have become so subservient and compliant that many feel that as a nation we cannot survive on our own. How many countries are in the world? How many have joined the EU? On a global scale the eu numbers are minuscule. Yet there are thousand of other nations within the world who operate independently and certainly are not the barren voids filled with mindless morons (as UK seems to be forecast to become). think Taiwan for instance, a small country with a vibrant global trading economy.
As mentioned earlier Britain is very respected in the international arena. Go into shops throughout the world and you will find British products, our civil engineers are working throughout the world, our architects are renowned, our teachers are spreading the English language throughout the world.

Well said joelsnan

Well, I fee torn apart. I liked being part of Europe. It felt good. I'm just sad now.

durhamjen Fri 24-Jun-16 18:52:35
The local news. People saying that they may as well vote out because things can't get any worse up here.
I find that incredibly sad, and feel so angry that they feel like that.

I think that's exactly why the majority voted for Out. Things are already bad for many people and none of those in power will listen to them and take their concerns seriously without calling them despicable names.

I agree with you joelsnan - but I am not happy about the process that has brought us to this point: political ineptitude, breast beating, insults, racist sneers, outright lies, scaremongering and an undemocratic referendum. None of this is good for any of us.

I did not vote Brexit, but I think your posts are very sensible, Joelsnan

Hear, hear Joelsnan, and thatbags Why was the referendum undemocratic? Would it have been undemocratic if remain had won? The EU needed a kick up the backside, so this could be the long overdue wake-up call! As for the young, well perhaps this will be a lesson to those too complacent or disinterested to get out and vote, instead of presuming a done deal or voting the wrong way for a laugh. It's called growing up!

Joelsnan, the local news at 18.30 said that £2 billion had been wiped off stocks in businesses in the North East. That was a fact. How do you suggest I check it? Stock exchange closed then.
What facts have you got to dispute it?

Just a kick up the backside, niggly?
No going back. Anyone who was too complacent or disinterested will not get another chance, until they are too old to care.

Been a salutary lesson then.

Durhamjen
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/23/markets-live-will-sterling-surge-or-slump-as-the-eu-referendum-c/

This adoption of populist nationalist right wing ideogy with its emphasis on the other and insularness is something I never dreamed my wildest nightmare would manifest itself in the UK

I totally misjudged Farage as I thought he was a joke, an aberration that the British voter would never accept. This is a black day indeed