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kittylester Fri 24-Jun-16 07:50:56

All over fb there are people calling anyone who voted Leave 'thick', 'uneducated' etc.

Do we not live in a democracy? Shouldn't we accept that more than 50% of the population want to leave the EU. I don't suppose that the same people would have been called names had they voted the other way.

petra Fri 24-Jun-16 20:57:51

Rolls Royce shares are up, so it's not all gloom. Does anyone know when Osbourne is going to announce his emergency budget?

nigglynellie Fri 24-Jun-16 21:02:49

DH has just asked me that!! Osbourne has certainly kept a low profile today.!

Luckygirl Fri 24-Jun-16 21:06:18

I voted leave, but agree that Farage is a buffoon. It was not about personalities.

In my view the referendum is undemocratic, irrespective of which view prevailed. It is a blunt instrument and needs refining. There should be a minimum turnout rule and a minimum gap rule - the fact that the vote was so very close means that we have no clear view from the British people. It is crazy that a huge decision like this should huge in just a few percentage points.

It is also a cop-out to ask people to vote on something so complex that few can really understand the concepts. It is just plain wrong.

Ginny42 Fri 24-Jun-16 21:06:37

Rolls Royce shares are up? Will that put food on the tables of the land?

thatbags Fri 24-Jun-16 21:12:20

niggly, I have not said anywhere that the referendum was undemocratic. I have not thought it either. So I'm a bit puzzled as to where you've got that idea from.

Luckygirl Fri 24-Jun-16 21:14:08

On the immigration issue, which clearly influenced many people, the governments of several countries in the EU failed to take seriously the concerns that people had/have and labelled those with worries as racists, which pushed them into a corner. There is a difference between racists and decent people who are frightened/concerned. Many people misguidedly imagined that Leave would solve the immigration issue. Again a case of being asked to vote on something that they have insufficient knowledge to decide.

thatbags Fri 24-Jun-16 21:14:18

Oh... I think I may have figured it out. Full-stop missing. As you were.

Deedaa Fri 24-Jun-16 21:14:32

Well it will help the posh boys with their Rolls Royces. They're the only ones who will be better off because they always are.

I think that anyone who's waiting for billions to be poured into the NHS or Social Housing is in for a long wait.

nigglynellie Fri 24-Jun-16 21:14:36

Sorry thatbags, I was asking luckygirl, who has replied. I should have made that clearer!

thatbags Fri 24-Jun-16 21:16:36

I agree, lucky. People whose wages have fallen, people on zero hours contracts, people with no job security have genuine worries. They are not racists for possibly thinking that high immigration will cause them even further problems. It's a reasonable supposition to make, even if it's wrong.

thatbags Fri 24-Jun-16 21:18:48

The lack of understanding of the "little people" is what has shocked me most. it's bad enough in money magnates and rich politicians, but it's truly shocking when it comes from people who claim to care about the poor.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jun-16 21:19:41

Then it's lack of education. Because that's another reason the outers voted that way.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jun-16 21:21:01

I'm not sure I care greatly about the "poor" at the moment.

thatbags Fri 24-Jun-16 21:21:18

Oh yes. I'm thoroughly uneducated. Total racist thicko, me.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jun-16 21:21:31

Sod the "little people".

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jun-16 21:22:07

I doubt that. But a lot of your co-voters were.

thatbags Fri 24-Jun-16 21:22:57

I suppose Tony Benn and other high profile opponents of the EU (like Cameron and corbyn until recently hmm) are uneducated too.

Wish people wouldn't talk such bollocks.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jun-16 21:25:06

I can't see into the minds of the Brexit politicians. Who knows how they think? I don't believe Boris is racist. Not sure about thick though. grin

Ana Fri 24-Jun-16 21:25:28

thatbags, I agree with you. Not one of the campaigners made any attempt to engage with or reassure the ordinary man/woman on the street whose lives and families are just as important to them as those of the fat cats and 'educated' lot are.

Too busy scaremongering and threatening the worst.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jun-16 21:26:40

It!/ the masses I am referring to. The ones who dragged themselves to the polling stations probably for the first time in their lives. Because they can't usually be arsed to vote.

icanhandthemback Fri 24-Jun-16 21:36:32

Isn't it funny how overnight 51% of the population have suddenly become bigots, thick, and every other insult the Remain voters can hurl at them. Many of the people I know didn't vote because they were bigots, they are well educated and did a lot of research themselves to make up their mind. Many don't like the cumbersome bureaucracy, the lack of proper representation on things that affect their lives and an organisation who is not prepared to listen to people's fears. They recognise they could do nothing from within and felt forced to vote leave. Some of my best friends are European, I personally don't feel any less European that I did yesterday and I find it really sad people cannot agree to respect others right to vote as they see fit. It is breathtaking arrogance to think you know better than someone else without walking in their shoes. Whatever political differences I may have with my friends, family and fellow Europeans, I respect them without feeling I have to belittle them for their views. Who knows what tomorrow brings? None of us has a crystal ball and it may turn out to be the best decision we ever made. Now perhaps people will see that campaigning for what you want, using your vote, etc can work to get a majority view and we can change our Political System to ensure we actually get that.

thatbags Fri 24-Jun-16 21:38:23

How do you know, jings? Another disdainful assumption. This disdain for ordinary people is a big part of the problem that's caused the desire for an EU referendum in the first place.

Jane10 Fri 24-Jun-16 21:41:17

No ican - only 51% of those who voted.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jun-16 21:41:50

It's pretty obvious. Even you must know how much anti-migrant feeling, not to say racial hatred, there is in many parts of the country. Why else would there have been such a high turn-out?

Jane10 Fri 24-Jun-16 21:42:25

I intensely dislike the phrase 'ordinary people'! We're all ordinary people.