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Can a referendum be valid if won on lies?

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whitewave Sat 25-Jun-16 15:13:39

Apparently there are lawyers looking into this

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 19:08:30

jevive keep having referenda until we give the right result

Luckygirl Sun 26-Jun-16 19:27:54

Well, we have elections won on lies, so why not?

Tegan Sun 26-Jun-16 20:25:10

This question was asked on Question Time just now and as with the rest of the campaign didn't get answered properly...ended up with a discussion about the future of Scotland. I have spent as much time recently shouting 'answer the expletive question' as leave supporters have used the words 'take back control'.

rosesarered Sun 26-Jun-16 20:34:31

Well said both Breeze and Niggly
What is all this some posters say about 'no plan'? How do you know that? The Leave campaign was not run by Cameron and Co, so any plans have to come from who is in Government. It has only been a couple of days.....what do people expect?

Tegan Sun 26-Jun-16 20:37:30

Err....a plan....is what I expect....

Leticia Sun 26-Jun-16 22:27:26

It is quite clear there was no plan here
I expect anyone running a campaign to have a plan before they start and not plunge us into chaos and expect those against it to sort it out!

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 26-Jun-16 22:30:24

The plan has to be worked out now. It's what the two years minimum is all about.

gangy5 Mon 27-Jun-16 08:35:35

nigglynellie You've summed it up - good post!!

varian Mon 27-Jun-16 11:40:43

Emily Tierny, writing in the i, admits she voted Leave but says "If I could take my vote back now I would. I'm ashamed of myself and I want my country back"

www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-bregrexit-i-voted-for-brexit-and-now-i-realise-what-a-terrible-mistake-i-made-a7104181.html

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 11:44:49

What a silly, silly woman!

varian Mon 27-Jun-16 11:47:10

How many more silly people are feeling like her ?

Tegan Mon 27-Jun-16 11:53:59

Good article Varian. Good for her though for having the guts to admit she was wrong.

merlotgran Mon 27-Jun-16 14:57:33

I voted Leave and I don't regret it but if I could turn the clock back I wouldn't have voted at all.

If young people think we are only worthy of a say when everything is going their way then, as my old Granny would have said,

'That's fine, dear. Have it your own way.'

Tegan Mon 27-Jun-16 16:08:28

You mean everything going their way with regards to their future employment prospects etc.

HildaW Mon 27-Jun-16 16:49:14

Merlotgran...I'm tempted to say that you cannot have it both ways....you say you do not regret voting leave but would have abstained if you had known result.
I voted Remain, not because I had listened to anyones argument but because I felt it my duty as a member of this (UK) society that prides itself on tolerance and inclusiveness that we had to stay part of the greater European picture. For all our children's and Grandchildren's sake we have to be part of the world we live in. Being in the EU has given us far more than its costs us (yes it has cost us but you basically get what you pay for). My other reason for wanting to remain was that all those who were shouting loudest for us to leave seemed exactly the sort of people who should not be allowed to be in charge of anything.

varian Mon 27-Jun-16 16:54:19

Here here HildaW

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 17:15:34

"exactly the sort of people who should not be allowed to be in charge of anything." Not a booze-up in a brewery, buns in a bakery, nookie in a knocking shop . . .

crun Mon 27-Jun-16 17:23:39

Leticia that Faisal Islam clip beggars belief, someone ought to find out who he is, grasp him warmly by the nuts, and drag him in front of Jeremy Paxman.

"It has only been a couple of days.....what do people expect?"

Imagine if Mark Carney had said that......

grumppa Mon 27-Jun-16 17:35:07

Putting aside all the arguments and bitterness, I do wonder whether it is terribly clever to hold just the occasional referendum in this country. We are accustomed to our vote only counting for up to five years, when another election can always turn things round. We are also conditioned to vote for parties and programmes, not on specific issues.

Protest votes have their place in local and general elections; they should Not feature in single issue referendums. Anecdotal evidence suggests that this was not fully appreciated.

whitewave Mon 27-Jun-16 17:40:55

I know grumppa that's what makes this referendum result so questionable. But as they say "that's democracy"

grumppa Mon 27-Jun-16 17:51:15

Yes, it is democracy, and I hope future governments will learn a lesson from this experience.

Swanny Mon 27-Jun-16 18:03:37

I quote grumppa 'We are also conditioned to vote for parties and programmes, not on specific issues.' So we cannot think for ourselves any longer, after years of being told what to do by Europe?

Also from the same post Protest votes ... should Not feature in single issue referendums. Anecdotal evidence suggests that this was not fully appreciated. Why? Today's younger generation, who allegedly voted to remain, were educated under the influence of the EU, while the leavers are allegedly the older generation, who were taught to use their democratic vote - on whatever issue - as they thought best.

I was always told 'If you don't vote you can't moan at the result.' It appears approximately 30% of the electorate did not vote last week ...

Tegan Sat 02-Jul-16 00:51:34

Well, one week on and I'm getting even more angry about the way this referendum was handled, especially after reading about how much money was spent on the leave campaign. The soundbites used are no so ingrained in peoples minds that to back track on the result would probably result in civil war. I can't 'move on'; I'm just getting more and more furious. Mark Carney talks of a banking PTSD and I think that's what I've got.

Elegran Sat 02-Jul-16 09:35:23

We were conditioned to always vote for the same party long before the EU.

Nana3 Sat 02-Jul-16 11:50:00

Over one week on, not a couple of days, nothing but chaos in government and the Labour Party. No obvious plan, no leaders, okay for them to cut and run they're millionaires (not JC). The country is being run by civil servants hopefully.
I'm also still in shock, can't believe this is happening. Of course getting on with usual things, what other choice is there, but I'm very unhappy and worried about all of the things already mentioned and about our small family business which is already affected, OH has made a plan though, so fingers crossed grin.