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No it isn't obi. What a strange idea.
My immigrants came over here to get degrees, then worked in places like MacDonalds or Holland and Barrett, or care homes to supplement their grants, before getting jobs teaching in poor areas, like Sunderland or County Durham.

London isn't a poor area. It has problems getting enough teachers.

David Miliband is doing a very valuable job working for asylum seekers at the moment.

"The LSE’s Jonathan Wadsworth said: “The bottom line, which may surprise many people, is that EU immigration has not harmed the pay, jobs or public services enjoyed by Britons. In fact, for the most part it has likely made us better off. So, far from EU immigration being a “necessary evil” that we pay to get access to the greater trade and foreign investment generated by the EU single market, immigration is at worse neutral, and at best, another economic benefit.” www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/20/reality-check-are-eu-migrants-really-taking-british-jobs

Seems David Milliband supporters have forgotten the Tory press mocked him and referred to him as Mr.Bean when he was foreign secretary because of a photograph of him on their front pages of him holding a banana . Surely Johnson is more suited to being called Mr.Bean , he is obsessed with bananas

Knowing that does not stop immigrants being told to go home, does it, Elegran?

The Labour Party is none of my business, but it seems to me that if Andy Burnham wasn't set on becoming Mayor of Manchester, he would be an appropriate candidate for leader of the LP.

No, those who tell them to go home will have to be stopped from doing that - and the wider the news that they are NOT taking jobs is spread, the more likely it is that other people realise that they are in the the wrong and argue with them.

What is there to cavill about with my post? Do you just like to have the last word, dj and be superior to any other poster?

When people have made up there minds (on immigration) it is a waste of time to try and confuse them with facts. They will ignore them on the grounds that they KNOW what is really happening.

No, Elegran. I was actually agreeing with you. I wasn't being superior. As Monica said, people ignore facts that do not agree with what they think.
Putting an article like that in the Guardian does not make any difference. I doubt if it's Guardian readers who are telling immigrants to go home.
I do not know how many times I have put links on here to fullfacts about immigration, but there are still people who do not believe them and still spout misinformation. Like Monica says, they do not want to know.

I don't think obieone has ever read a fullfact, even though she wants facts.

Sorry, dj it was the question mark. It made it sound as thouigh you were questioning my comment.

That's okay. I'll have to stop sounding like an Australian.

I think I first became aware of some people telling immigrants to go home when Enoch Powell was making himself heard. Has it got worse than it was then?

I would have been twelve or thirteen back then.

I dont trust fullfact, dj, becuse you use it all the time, which most mean that it is very left-wing biased.

I will change my post of 12.21pm yesterday to
There is a difference between people who are coming here who have a job to go to or are students, and those who dont.
That is what is more understood by poorer areas, than richer areas

No, obieone That is not understood better by poorer areas. In poorer areas where more people don't have work, those who come to work are "taking our jobs" and foreign students are an unknown breed that they really don't think about very much.

Full Fact isn't left-wing biased, obie. It analyses news items and gathers together facts and sources.

If you're interested, there's a similar site for the NHS called 'Behind the Headlines' (I think) which provides factual sources behind newspaper health stories.

How can people take jobs in poorer areas where there's no work?

They can be thought to be the reason there are no jobs.

daphnedill, there you go again. "No" work? Your doublespeak is becoming much more obvious.

re post of 14.59pm

I will take a look at the NHS site

I feel I am living in a parallel universe.
Definition of a "poorer area" - well, not London as a whole , although there are poorer areas. A poor area is like Corby, parts of S Wales, parts of the NE of England , parts of the Central Belt in Scotland, areas where there is high unemployment, or like Lincolnshire with very low average wages, often poor quality housing, an absence of business investment, little hope for school leavers. That should be clear enough to anybody.
Posters are being very patient with the barrage of non sequiturs and frankly confused misunderstanding.
God knows why.

Because we'd get banned if we really spoke our mind, Alea.

durhamjen You state that I will not be voting for a new leader if Corbun resigns.
Do you know someone who has the power to stop me as I am a member of the Labour Party.
And I was very serious about Gisela Stuart.