Has it occurred to anyone that we were all played

The depressing thing is the number of people who say they voted Leave as a protest and to "Show the Government" Protest votes are what you use in a by election when you're mad at your MP because he hasn't solved the problem with your neighbours.. You don't use it for something that will affect the long term future of the country.

I honestly have no idea but I listened to what they all said and made my decision based on all the lies told. I was misled, but lied to by both sides.

How much of that do you think you're going to get, Nonnie?

Cameron actually came back with a big concession over the payment of benefits to immigrants. It's now been admitted that any idea that immigration would be limited was a lie misunderstanding anyway.

I think I must be like a lot of other people who are happy (for the want of better word) with this present government but unhappy about other things such as they way we are told to spend our money, and they way we do our business.

I wanted change. I wanted us to have a voice again which I fear we are slowly losing bit by bit as we sell out our identity, our rights.

I want more money to be spent on health and education. I realise this goverment had a monumental task ahead of it after Labour had decimated our economy, but I feel that membership of the EU is slowly choking our rights.

Not everyone wants to live or work abroad. Some of us want to stay here. I don't want to be told that products have to have their names changed. It makes me feel that we do not matter.

It seems to me that membership of the EU is based on a pecking order when in fact it all should be equal, after all our money is equal, isn't it?

True, they have been playing games. Boris Johnson doesn't care one way or the other about the UK, he wants Cameron's job. He didn't expect to win, told lies, claimed all experts were scaremongering. Now Cameron is making him make the Article 50 decision, & quite right too.

Wright Stuff this morning were talking about how the nazis used referendums to pursue their own policies. The problem really was the two terms that were used to describe the opposing sides. Those suffering under this government were faced with- Remain-which implies satisfaction with the current government and society: and Leave- which seems to provide some sort of change. The matter was aggravated because the main voice of Remain was Cameron.
And now we are supposed to pull together and make the country as good as it can be. When the people who voted for change realise that things are going to get worse not better for them I fear they will look for other means to express their rage.

The result is in - it has to be accepted.

The option to remain and work for change is what we have been doing for years without success, and this was clearly demonstrated immediately prior to the referendum when DC came back with a pitiful result from his negotiations.

It had to be either IN (with the flaws of the existing EU) or OUT.

Me too! ?

PRINTMISS a very good post and points! I will second that!

I always felt that the referendum was held because there were so many gripes about so many things, - right to make our own laws, control the immigrant problem, sort out our own money, spend it where we need it most, all things governed by membership of the EU. So, if there is a general grumbling and rumbling about all these things, the thing to do is let everyone(the grumblers and the non-grumblers alike) have their say. The decision has been made, a narrow decision, but it is a decision, no good grumbling and rumbling any more about that. All parties now need to put their own houses in order, and get on with making this country as good as it can be.

With regard to the OP's question it was blindingly obvious to a great many people that we were being irresponsibly and unavoidably involved in an internal squabble in the Conservative party.

Cameron offered us the chance to decide when it was far too serious a subject. He was playing the conservative party and it backfired.

Look at what is happening now. All of them.. bloody politicians do
ing deals behind the scenes.. but Cameron is the captain of the ship and what a bad steer.

No respect for the people. Cameron never a man of the people and that is clear now.

I agree with you Jinglbellsfrocks. He's possibly thinking, 'Why should I be the one to fire the silver bullet when they loaded the gun?'

Why do you say Cameron is "throwing his toys out of the pram"? I think he is being very reasonable.

The whole thing was so badly thought out in the first place. It's ended up like the Iraq invasion without the weapons, no plans at all about what would happen next. Obviously a lot of it is down to Brussels but you'd think Gove and co would have had a few ideas scribbled down.

Nonnie you pretty much sum up how I feel.

We did have a third choice to remain and fight another day if we still wanted to leave. Out the window now. Despite the narrow margin I accept the result and am just now waiting for the general discussions and then the detail to emerge. Did someone say on Marr or Daily Politics that the only 2nd referendum in the near future should be when they present the negotiated exit conditions against the status quo? Then the electorate could look at the details and make a final decision. This is 'grow up' time for those elected to serve us and I want to see leadership on this key issue from the word go in every party. Let's hope they have used their time wisely over this weekend.
I think 'I, Claudius' got it right when he said, "Let all the poisons in the marsh hatch out."

Beammeupscottie, That very quote came to mind just a few days ago

The trouble is it turned Thomas a Becket into a martyr.

Re; Farage.

"will someone rid me of this turbulent priest"

But what choice did we have? - either not vote or listen to the arguments on both sides and vote. I realised it was a fiasco from the start - a dark day for Britain when we are all played for fools, but cannot ignore the "democratic" process and sit on our hands.

The margin of the the "majority" is so small as to be meaningless - and I am not a grumpy remainer with a beef. Whichever way you voted it was a farce.

To those who say remainers should put up and shut up - no- we can't accept a narrow result based on lies, in a referendum that Cameron shouldn't have brought in the first place. Boris Johnson will be a terrible pm- he has no eye for detail - and all the negotiations are -details. Think what happened in Europe in the 1930s and the rise of extremism and the collapse of the political and economic system. We can't allow that to happen. We want our country back - the country that is outward looking and tolerant. we really will be little Britain alone , especially if Scotland leaves and we have to have a border in Northern Ireland.

Figured out the reason it's so warm today. Tis the heat coming off the red faces of certain politicians. Wonderful watching Business Sec. squirming horribly on Andrew Marr earlier. Forced into a corner where he effectively had to 'kind of' in that way politicians do, confess to saying untrue things for 'campaign purposes'. Maybe lessons can be learned from this, don't treat the electorate like children. Educate, set out your stand like a manifesto, instead of screaming 'we're all going to die' (expression).

So perhaps this theory emerging is correct. Boris and Gove never ever wanted or thought Brexit had a chance. They wanted a significant % to vote for it- enough to send a strong message to the EU- but they were caught out at their own game- and won- well, LOST in fact. What a bloody mess! No wonder they are subdued and quiet now- they never thought in a century of Sundays they would actually win.

Who will pay the price- not them. In fact the main losers will be the Brexiters who believed their lies- as they will be the ones losing their jobs.

So sad, so tragic, so ******************

We need to still be vigilant . Farage will try to derail anything that doesn't end in total divorce. And he will do so through lies and spin. This time he can't be believed.