Who said immigrants have to go back?

obieone Mon 27-Jun-16 12:06:34

Actually, I think I will let you be.

Please, please, do.

No mainstream politicians have said that, However, there is a fear that post- Brexit racism will be emboldened to rear its ugly head more openly, as it has done already. A Polish cultural centre in London, built to honour Polish pilots of WW2 had racist graffiti daubed on it yesterday . There has been demos outside a mosque in Birmingham, over 100 racist incidents reported in the last few days.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/06/27/uk-racists-emboldened-by-leave-vote-strong-language/

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The population does not always take its lead from the politicians.

suzied personally I think the other millions of people will help get rid of it, not to mention the law and police.

It shouldn't be happening in the first place.

The police do not have the time to deal with every xenophobic/racist incident. It's up to people to educate themselves. Sadly, they will just pick up messages from the media and politicians.

No but the police will be given the hatemail from various groups and be expected to do something about it.
All these people mentioned in the voxpolitical link will know who the racists are.

I agree suzied.

dd, yes, but it is your posts and others on threads over gransnet, that caused me to ask the question. They were not clear that it is not pliticians who have said it, and your posts and others somewhat make it sound like it is.

www.change.org/p/home-office-condemn-the-rise-in-racism-and-state-how-you-are-tackling-the-problem-across-the-uk

57% rise in reported hate crime this weekend.

granjura Whether EU citzens have eventually to go back to their home country is quite a differnt thing to being a refugee.
Refugees are covered by UN rules and if they are asylum seekers and are succesfully accepted then they are OK. Many are not accepted but that is quite another matter to EU ciizens in the UK. I wish them all well and am glad I am not in their place.

Everyone should report it when they see or come across it.

Totally agree Margaret- not sure what in my posts made you feel I wouldn't.

Reporting xenophobia and racism isn't enough. There is no way that the police could deal with every incident.

What needs to happen is for every parent, grandparent and teacher to make sure that children are brought to respect people of other cultures, races and religions. Politicians and the media need to be censured for their comments and to be held to account when there are outcomes. Every single one of us who cares about racism needs to be vigilant and challenge it on the ground.

We should be very worried though, because it is all of a piece and this behaviour will translate into voting for far right nationalist politics if we are not vigilant. What is needed is education.

Thank you for your good post, ga.

I agree with the sentiment (general feeling of) your post at 04:30:11 this morning, dd, but I don't agree that all cultures and religions should be respected. The people belonging to all cultures or races and those belonging to all religions should be respected, not the cultures and religions. I respect people, not ideas or beliefs.

Well, I might respect an idea or belief in the sense of agreeing that it is good, but if I don't think it is good I will argue with it and not respect it except insofar as to respect the person holding it. I suspect that your approach is, in fact, the same. After all, you argue with plenty of stuff on gransnet while, I am sure, still respecting the people who express it.

"It is reasonable for us to control numbers, and that we insist that people who move here work for a living, pay their taxes and obey our laws. But to lock out vital overseas skills would be an economic own goal. Just as importantly, if we allow prejudice to shut our borders, it will alienate us from the community of nations among whom we now seek to trade. Our attitude to their citizens will determine their attitude to us."

by Simon Wolfson. He's saying (better) what I said. Note that it is attitude to citizens (i.e. people) that matters. Wanting people to obey our laws is not disrespectful towards them even if it appears to be lacking in respect for their culture and their ideas of what the law should be.

I thought this was till about the EU and its citizens.

Well, if it is, they are the same race and have the same culture as Brits so racism and culture-dislike (is there a name for that?) doesn't come into it.

Xenophobia might but that's not the same as racism.

I asked MrBags if, were he to be insulted, he'd prefer to be called hysterical or racist. Without a pause, he said 'racist'. Why? Because he reckons it is such an abused term nowadays that it has lost its bite and doesn't mean anything other than "I don't agree with you".

Fair enough! I used the term lazily. I don't respect any religion anyway, because I'm an atheist, but I respect people's right to practise their religion.

On a more positive note, it does seem that many people are trying to fight back

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/27/brexit-polish-centre-london-reeling-after-graffiti-attack

I'm afraid I don't agree with Mr Bags' thinking. Racism is possibly an overused term, but there are too many people who ARE racist and use the same excuse.

"Who said immigrants have to go back?"

Are any politicians saying that they won't have to go back? Or saying anything intended to calm the situation?

(I don't follow the news much so I don't know if they are doing that or not.)