Article 50 of Lisbon Treaty

As I understand it they will delay serving Article 50 because once we do 2 years is all we've got. We will be out after that whether or not all our decisions and negotiations have been finalised. Hence the longer we have beforehand,to get organised, the better.

Why so sneering Jalima? How rude
Tegan not sneering at all.
Shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Apparently, petitions, demonstrations etc, will have no effect on what was supposedly a democratic process.

So the deed is done and now we need all the energy of younger people to sort out a future instead of wasting it on futile demonstrations.

And no, I did not vote Brexit.

In the run up to the referendum you argued quite vociferously for the leave camp; I was quite surprised to hear that you voted to remain. How do you know that those young people didn't vote remain?

Really - me?

How strange, are you sure? In fact, I would like it if you would retract that untrue post.

I did not argue for the leave camp.

What I was doing was trying to find the answers to some questions and challenging some assertions which may have been embellished.

I was not 100% remain, but there are very few people I know in RL who were - all questioning, all discussing, all deciding, all reading everything they could before they made this momentous decision.
Perhaps playing Devil's advocate elicits more answers than passively listening to other people like a sheep.

I don't know what these young people voted, presumably they voted although the turnout was low in that age group; however, the referendum is over and the vote was leave so now the energy of younger people would be better put to making sure Britain has a future.

Jalima I would just like to say that although in your posts you never said anything definite, from the way you wrote them and things you questioned I too (obviously wrongly) surmised you were a leave voter. I too was very pleasantly surprised when you announced your intention to vote remain.

elegran this could well be so and it shows how short sighted anyone in the UK is if they feel they can't start a business and export things.
DD2 is doing stem cell research which will be so important for cancer treatments. All research projects are supported by the EU. hardly any university goes it alone.
Its so upsetting that it can't be stopped. On radio 4 'Law in Action' with 3 professors of EU law, all said that the referendum can be ignored. That's my hope!

Really Welshwife?


I just wanted to find out as much as possible, but believe me, GN did not influence my decision as much as questioning in RL.

And I am not sneering at anyone.

What do these young people think they will achieve now by demonstrating? And I do realise they are not the same young people who had no clue what was going on, or who did not bother to vote.

On radio 4 'Law in Action' with 3 professors of EU law, all said that the referendum can be ignored
Were they British?

I'd quite like this to happen.
jackofkent.com/2016/06/the-2016-abolition-act/

Unfortunately this is waht we are stuck with.

jackofkent.com/2016/06/where-we-are-now-with-article-50-decision-notify-and-devolution-issues/

Legally, according to Geoffrey Robertson, a barrister who is Master of the Bench at Middle Temple (probably makes him pretty much an expert then) Article 50 is not just invoked. It states that 'A member state may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements'. As our constitutional requirements do not allow for decision making by referendum, any referendum is advisory only - this one has advised Parliament that the country is pretty much split down the middle. In order to leave the EU, MPs must first repeal the 1972 European Communities Act. If an MP thinks that it is in the country's best interest to stay in the EU, they have a duty to vote against repealing the act, and if they think it is in the country's best interests to leave, they have a duty to vote the opposite way. Article 50 will only be deemed to be invoked if the Act is repealed. So, whatever way you want this to go, the best way to make it happen is to lobby your MP (always supposing you've actually still got one after all these shenanigans).

Jalima Thu 16-Jun-16 16:00:25

I am pro-EU, but I think it is danger of imploding unless the EU elite start listening.

Above was a post I made pre-referendum, reposting it in reply to this one;

In the run up to the referendum you argued quite vociferously for the leave camp; I was quite surprised to hear that you voted to remain

I also said this on 24th April:
I wonder if, whichever way the vote goes, it will result in a big shakeup of British political parties
(perhaps that should be on that other thread )

X post with dj -didn't read the whole link you posted, but pretty much the same thing being said about that part of Article 50. Who is jackofkent though? He makes sense, but I can't see on his website what qualifies him to write his articles.

Jalima: I apologise if I had offended you but, as someone that was in the remain camp I'm hurting at this moment in time, both for myself and my country. I would have given anything to be with those young people today...they represented how I felt and I'm proud that the young of this country can see what's happening when so many of the older and wiser brigade can't.

"Jingles you are getting so sensible these days" (*jessm*)

How bloody patronising is that?! I have been "sensible" all my life, thank you very much madam!

(jessm )

OK, perhaps my posts were inquisitive and putting the opposite viewpoint to find out more, but I never said I would be voting out.

However, DH has been reading and scribbling notes about the EU and its problems for quite a long time now (years in fact), so for every argument pro I have probably heard every argument against.

And, quite honestly, the nastiness that has been going around from the young people towards the older generation about how many of them (certainly not all) voted has upset me immensely too.
It has added fuel to the intergenerational groups who stir up so much resentment.

I have been "sensible" all my life, thank you very much

not that I think you're not, I must add hastily!

Dramatictessa, from his website.
jackofkent.com/about/

You have to read down to the bottom to find out that he is a lawyer.

Isn't that fuelled by the ridiculous news items showing old people ranting on about bringing back the good old days? I must have seen several of those today. Even my son, who has never shown an interest in politics made a point of voting this time and is watching the news.

I don't think I have ever thought a post by Jalima sounded like she was sneering.

Last week I got shouted down about Article 50 by a few members and it was clear they didn't understand what Article 50 was and were not interested in the implications. All that mattered was the UK had taken back control.

Personally I don't think Article 50 will be invoked and I am not convinced we will leave the EU. So much has happened since we woke up on Friday and I think there will be a general election sooner rather than later. The outcome of that election will dictate whether we leave or not.

In the meantime, the lawyers and planners will work with the EU behind the scenes to suss out what our options are. We are in uncharted waters now - the UK and the EU. The future is very changeable.

Oh dear jingles that was meant as a compliment... silly old me. Retreats back into he basket with tail between legs.