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Well, Anya the Krays were always said to be very loving to their mum, but I don't think they were people I'd describe as 'nice'.
You are right: it's the racism I hate but generally this is personified in the racist and 'closet racism' will exhibit itself if the situation is right. Would these 'genuinely nice' people be nice to those who do not fit with their view of the rightness of things? Allow me to have my doubts.

Badenkate. I agree with Anya. Hate is hate.
Hating a situation is a very different matter to hating a person.

Hard to say Baden - we all know how neighbour turned on neighbour in WW2 and more recently in the Balkans. So I am a bit sceptical about the inherent 'niceness' of some human beings and feel that many of them will just side with those who have the upper hand, whether from fear (as in Nazi Germany) or because they are just 'following orders' or because it taps into something evil and twisted within them.

So I respect your doubts.

But I refuse to 'follow orders' and I will stand up to anyone who expresses hatred of others.

I too would like to know what you want us to do to 'pull together'Anya - you g
Have failed to make that clear.

In which case you better talk to all those 'leave' haters who have been verbally assaulting people in the street and even in schools, the NHS, businesses, etc - to foreigners, in fact to many British born people who look 'different' non-stop since the vote.

And you know this how, exactly, granjura? Hearsay? The 'media'? Or your many friends and relatives in the UK?

I haven't come across any such behaviour in my area.

I haven't either. Yes, it happens. But it is rare.

"non-stop"? Don't be ridiculous, gj.

I thought you lived in Scotland?

Yes, I do. Why is that relevant?

Because Scotlan voted remain- and because the behaviour reported possibly has not been happening there- perhaps.

www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2016/jul/06/eu-workers-nhs-faced-racial-abuse-head-home

Head in the sand for some, granjura.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/live/2016/jul/06/is-britain-letting-down-its-eu-nationals-live

Sorry it's from the media.

I know of it. Guide who leads tours and specialises in German tours was shouted at and told to "Speak English" when taking a group of German tourists around. Not to mention the EDL who regularly gather and give disgusting verbal out bursts (they can't be called speeches)

No-one is denying the reported racism. Just questioning such phrases as "non-stop".

Isn't saying 'it's rare'equally ridiculous? I'm only glad that I retired a couple of years ago because I was constantly having to bite my tongue when hearing racist comments in the surgery waiting room. I dread to think what it would have been like over the past few weeks.

Just a small point, gj, since I'm being pedantic, Scotland didn't vote anything. 62% of Scottish voters voted Remain. 38% is a large enough minority to be racist if it had the mond to be.

The thing is, I think pedantry is warranted when people twist the truth. Have I really got my head in the sand about "non-stop" racism in parts of England? And, btw, would some of that be occurring in London which, if I talk like you, voted Remain also?

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I'm sorry if racism is not rare where you live, tegan, if you were "constantly" hearing racist comments. Seriously though, was it a small minority of patients where you worked who made racist comments, or a large minority, or a majority? My guess is small minority.

Must be a horrible place to live. I've lived in quite a few places and I don't think I've ever heard a racist comment directly. I've read about them and heard of thuggery just as I've read about and heard about other sorts of crimes.

Well, I certainly hate some racists. I've loved a few in my time, too. My grandmother and her eldest daughter, my favourite aunt, both held racist views and I loved them, even though I deplored their prejudices. However, they would never have done or said anything cruel to a non-white person - but plenty do. There are bullies like those in the EDL and Britain First, and there are slimy creatures like Farage who fan the flames of racism whilst presenting themselves as cheery, commonsense bloke-in-the-pub types...Yes, I do hate people who choose to frighten, worry, insult or hurt members of ethnic minorities and make them feel unwelcome in this country. I don't want to hate anyone,but some people behave in a hateful way.

Every decent person hates hateful behaviour.

But I'd still like to know what I'm supposed to do to pull together with everyone else? I hope it doesn't involve joining in with Bruce Forsythe singing 'I'm backing Britain'

The best thing to do as far as I can see is reassure any EU nationals that you know that they are safe here, because many of them do not think so at the moment. That's pulling together with others.

"In which case you better talk to all those 'leave' haters who have been verbally assaulting people in the street and even in schools, the NHS, businesses, etc - to foreigners, in fact to many British born people who look 'different' non-stop since the vote."

Evidence ????? Non Stop ????

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35832035

The above link is about Turkey and whether it might or might not join the EU. Mr Farage makes a few comments and so do others.

Failure to train enough nurses etc is not a problem caused by immigrants as you say yourself. So why blame the problem on immigrants? And what kind of country do you envisage? One in which we won't allow UK trained doctors and nurses to leave the country? One in which a percentage of the school leavers are conscripted into the NHS? One in which a time travel machine is available perhaps, so that you could be transported back to the bliss of living in he Eastern part of London of the 19th C where the "immigrants" were from the impoverished UK countryside?
There might be a problem with schools in some areas but this should be clearly laid at the door of Michael Gove whose policies have hampered the creation of more school places. Local authorities used to be in charge of planning school places. They looked at factors like births and building developments and were able to plan a few years ahead by building new schools or extensions to existing ones.
Gove stopped local authorities from planning their own schools. This was because he had a bee in his bonnet about "Free Schools", an idea he had picked up on a trip to the States I believe. So since 2010 a local authority has had to depend on random groups of people who think they can run a school better than the experts, popping up and applying to start one. They won't necessarily start one of the right size, in the right area of course, but Gove was on a mission so WTF. There have been significant problems with this bright idea despite huge amounts of taxpayers money being given to help start schools in a variety of unsuitable premises (office accommodation next to a heavily polluted motorway was one of my favourites!).
In addition he promoted Academies which have control of their own admissions. When a new academy was opened near me (in other words and old school, in a new building, with a new name) they immediately reduced the numbers they took in, causing problems to parents and to other schools.