Could Labour 'split'. Tom Watson calls off talks.

You are not going to say anything against Corbyn are you durhamjen?

Just the, "they" or someone else doing something wrong as well routine.

It doesnt wash.

It never washes.

Outpfstepwithhumanity. You are entitled to your opinions. If would be so nice it if worked

The Labour Party or other opposition parties would be very foolish indeed to call for a general election at the moment, when they are in such disarray.

Pacifist? How can anyone be a pacifist and entertain the IRA and be friends with Hamas?
Labour members of my family are still dismayed by his past.

Corbyn does not seem to me to have progressed very far from the trade union representative and political protester that he was. He has neither the intellect nor the wide appeal to be the leader of a party, let alone a Prime Minister.

I do hope they can progress and start pulling together - we do need a decent opposition and he is failing miserably in that respect too.

I agreed with Corbyn meeting the Sin Fein MP's, they were elected by British voters. But this is where his hypocrisy shows, he refused to share a platform with Cameron because of his policies, for me I would have met both because I believe talking and listening is important .

He was questioned by a select committee on his use of 'friends' he said with hindsight it was a mistake . I want to know why he thought it a mistake , but again a shallow reply from him. I am also very cross when asked about the troubles in the labour party he replied - I am enjoying it . Anyone who cared for or felt loyalty to the party could not enjoy the fact it is causing distress to some. And how can he enjoy helping to tear the party to bits.

Maybe he's really just an anarchist, or at least someone who just likes rebelling against "the establishment". Immature.

Good post, jalima.

Thatbags, I believe him to be honest about his anti war stance and the unemployed, but I don't agree with his relationship with Momentum or remaining silent when there are threats to deselect MP's, he voted against his own government hundreds and hundreds of times. If he felt justified in doing this he should respect other MP's for voting against him. Again it's the hypocrisy in the man

Some people do like causing trouble, and enjoy a fight.

Maybe he calls himself a pacifist because that is a sort of a fight too?
Time for

The whole point of pacifism is that it believes talking and negotiating is always better than conflict. Refusing to speak to or negotiate with any body merely continues and quite often escalates the conflict. For all those people who think speaking to the IRA was wrong would you prefer that the conflict in Ireland had continued and there were still bombs exploding in shopping centres?

Well said trisher

For all those people who think speaking to the IRA was wrong
Did I say that? No. I am glad the peace process was pushed forward by Mo Mowlam although Tony Blair took much of the credit.
However, to entertain them in the Commons just after the Brighton bombing was very wrong and showed solidarity with a group who had just attempted to murder members of the UK government and feelings throughout the country were raw imo.

I didn't know he had invited them to the commons at that time , I don't agree with that , how was it allowed, must read up on it

I have no problem with people talking to conflicting groups but they need to do it with an open mind to the concerns of all groups.

Read up a little on this last night. Difficult to make comments on really without bringing up N I conflict. He was wrong to bring the IRA to Westminster but right to invite the Sin Fein MP's there .

I came on to see how this thread was going not really to comment but I was astounded to see one of the anti Corbyn Mps post on Twitter that it is his fault that the NICE attack happened !. Apparently if he had stood down they would be able to tackle terrorism ! What will they blame the poor chap for next? it smacks of desperation and is in very poor taste .

It is very unlikely that the Northern Ireland agreement would even have got off the ground had the basis for talking and negotiation not been established by those in the Labour party who had always kept communication channels open. There are many of us who believed a united Ireland was desirable but have settled for the NI Peace agreement. Whilst not agreeing with IRA methods I had every sympathy with their aims as did many people with Irish ancestry. Mo Mowlam brought the NI agreement in, but it was the sympathetic and open attitude of people like Corbyn that brought people to the table.

Some people have a different view of pacifism than me, obviously.

Who was the MP please f77?

I think there are different views on pacifism . Whilst I abhor the killings carried out by the IRA I like trisher I have much sympathy with the Catholics in N I , I also abhor the killings carried out against the R C's and cannot ignore the history of the suffering of the true Irish people.

Me too anniebach

But I would not kill someone because of it and I don't think you would either.

No I wouldn't take a life Jamila, but I am thinking of a post earlier this week attacking Winnie Mandela, who knows how much brutality and injustice they could take without hitting back. Being oppressed must have an effect It does have an effect

I have no idea what I would do if my civil liberties were removed and members of my family and community were imprisoned and even killed because of their beliefs. I like to think I would remain peaceful and civilised but if there seemed to be no other option it is possible I would be prepared to fight and even to kill.

True trisher. We can say - stealing is wrong and I would never steal, but if hunger was gnawing and no hope of food we may steal .

If people have their human rights withdrawn do they just accept it or fight to regain them, or if they never had any rights can they be condemned for fighting for them .

It comes down to is a man a terrorist or a freedom fighter

twitter.com/hashtag/TrotsRabbleDogs?src=hash

Another bit of balance.

www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf

A report about how Corbyn has been treated by the press. This was before the current leadership coup.

As was Milliband, Kinnock. Foot , Brown and others Jen . Blair didn't but Mandelson got Murdoch on side . Milliband didn't get the extreme coverage Foot, Kinnock had and Corbyn now has