Could Labour 'split'. Tom Watson calls off talks.

'And yet another year of the impasse will wreck their party and make their political lives even more hellish. If they do not split there is only one other option. Instead of a deadly war of attrition that would probably lead to Corbyn winning a third leadership contest, with an office justifiably displaying extreme paranoia, the rebels could do the opposite.

Every single Labour heavyweight could offer to serve on the front bench, perform well in parliament – the arena where they are strong, and become assertive in the shadow cabinet by sheer force of experience and political talent. These are figures shaped by ministerial experience, the highs of victory, the trauma of defeat.

Such a front bench under a leader obliged to compromise and perhaps willing to go of his own volition later in the parliament could not be worse for anyone all than the current nightmare, in which all are trapped and with virtually no room to navigate. It might even be a little better. Call it a Third Way.'

Good idea, this, from Steve Richards in the Guardian. Of course, it will not happen. Too many childish MPs.

So they must forfet their principles for Corbyns dubious principles . How could this man be a PM with his record . Better if Corbyn stood down surely , no way would he ever feel obliged to do anything he didn't want to .

Why doesn't Corbyn cut all links with momentum

I think perhaps willing to go a daft comment

@ab

Who branded DYR as racist in 2007? I can't find any information.

The Jewish Virtual Library (and other sources) have been trying to make the case that the massacre was 'misunderstood' for years.

A pro Palistian group . The massacre happened .

@ab

The event Corbyn attended in 2013 was sponsored by Palestinian Mission to the UK, not DYR, although pictures are on the DYR website. Gerald Kaufman also attended.

The event was actually organised by a Christian church in St Johns Wood, North London.

think-left.org/2016/07/21/is-momentum-a-mob-no-this-is-what-democracy-looks-like/

The Palestine Solidarity Campaign decided against disassociating itself from DYR in 2007.

azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/welcome-statement-from-palestine.html

Corbyn is a patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

Yes, I know. Didn't you find the article of them branding DYR racist ? It is on the Internet

Yes, I did. It said that they decided against it.

Sorry, but I'm truly impartial. I think Corbyn is totally unsuitable to be PM and is going to lead to the destruction of the Labour Party. However, I also think he's being smeared. I also think that there's something a bit fishy about the Ruth Smeeth incident, but I'll come back to that.

So they must have considered it before deciding against it

The press love smearing politicians Daphne, more so labour politicians

If Corbyn was ever to become PM what baggage he would take to no 10 wth him.

We cannot wipe out past, not even Corbyn who blames everyone for misinterpreting his words.

He even defended Walker from momentum who said - the Jews financed the slave trade , Corbyn dismissed this with - he still has a positive contribution to make to labour .

Momentum has made him and will break him, no one can lie with pigs and not get covered with mud . It is no longer the Labour Party but the Momentum party

Over thirty female MP's have written a letter speaking of the abuse and threats they have to endure , he just says this doesn't happen in the ?Labour party , is he a liar or deluded

From the outset I said Momentum was a party within a party and I stand fast to that being the case.

Momentum is 'dedicated' to promoting Corbyn as an individual and is not interested in the Labour Party. The Labour Party now known as New Labour holds as little interest to Momentum as the conservative party does.

Both parties are despised and Momentum was spoken of in a similar vein at it's inception as it is now but as the months have past more people have had their eyes and ears opened and understand what is happening.

I find it amusing that having been personally lambasted by posters over many months of referring to Corbyn, McDonnell and Momentum as far left/Trotskyite I can now see some agreement from quarters I would not have ever thought
possible on GN.

I am finding it amusing the likes of McClusky/McDonnell/Corbyn are trying to hold a saintly
persona when it comes to bullying, wanting loyalty, ethical
Politics when they have gained their reputation for being the total opposite.

McClusky is a bullying union master happy to see children in their homes to be subjected to 'leverage' by his puppets , remember the 'big rat' ! McClusky and his ilk are natural born hypocritics who will intimidate, bully at will but cry foul when reported or be on the receiving end.

Corbyn has never given loyalty to his Party Leader if it I didn't suit him but expects others to do as he says, not do as I did. I find it pure irony a man who rebelled against toeing the Party Line for years is now seen as a man of 'principle' but those Parliamentary Labour Party MP's electing to as he did are virtual liars and scumbags.

Make your mind up up what constitutes being 'principled.'

McDonnel is nothing short of a foul mouthed ,nasty individual with an assassins grin and get's out of tricky situations by claiming to be 'just joking' that some fall for .

Has Corbyn ever had the party whip taken away from him?
If so, what for?

You must be so happy with such amusement POGS , I could never find amusement in the distress of anyone, smacks of smugness in my opinion

The only thing fishy about the Ruth Smeeth incident was why Corbyn did bugger all to defuse a situation that was clearly distressing to one of his own MP's?

Corbyn knows the activist Mark Wadsworth , he was in a perfect position to defend Ruth Smeeth but chose not to.!

I find it interesting to see what he rebelled on.
He voted against a cap on welfare benefits, where most labour MPs voted for it in 2014.
That's one of the reasons that labour lost the last election, because voters could not tell the difference.

This is a consequence of that vote.

speye.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/the-tory-sheltered-housing-benefit-tax/

Most sheltered housing is going to close, even for pensioers, because they will not be able to afford the additional rent.

Personally, I prefer my labour MPs to stick to their socialist principles.

Because he wasn't the chairman POGS, only leader of the party so couldn't speak! and he needs the likes of Wadsworth more than Ruth Smeeth . I am still shocked by that morning.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/07/23/is-there-any-evidence-at-all-to-connect-threats-of-abuse-to-labour-mps-with-jeremy-corbyn/

Actually, Annie, I think any right wingers on here are enjoying this falling apart of the labour party.
Which is why I, for one, am not going to write any more about the labour party, but will continue doing what we should be doing, and concentrating on bringing the government and Brexiteers to account.

Wrong POGS. There's more to Ms Smeeth than meets the eye.

What information do you have about Ruth Smeeth daphnedil?
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So if you are a right wing poster you cannot debate about anything connected with the Labour Party but if you are left wing you can debate everybody left/right/old uncle Tom Cobley and all Parties.

Blimey I would like to see a poster say that about a left wing supporter voicing an opinion on one of the many threads concerning right wing policies/politicians.

No Durhamjen you are incorrect and we have had this conversation before . I have made my view on having no
credible Opposition Party before. It is not a good position for any country to have no credible Opposition Party and that's what we have at the moment.

POGS, you like all here are free to post what you wish when you wish. I can only speak for myself but your mocking of the likes of me was uncalled for , thankfully others who I disagreed with accepted my admission that I had been mistaken with good grace, something you lack