Could Labour 'split'. Tom Watson calls off talks.

@ab

If Angela is deselected, I would put money on her being successful as an Independent. From what I know of the real grassroots (not the constituency party) she's an active and respected MP.

The constituency next to Wallasey is Birkenhead. The constituency party has been trying to get rid of Frank Field (the best Tory in the Labour Party according to some) for over 30 years, but he's still there.

That post was @ Eloethan.

That's all very well, but in the end it's voters who count and it's only a tiny percentage who are LP or even constituency party members. My vote doesn't count anyway, but if I lived in a constituency where my vote did count and I were a floating voter, I'd have serious doubts about voting for a party which seems to be making such a hash of things and whose message isn't clear. I've read comments from MPs in by-elections (since Corbyn has been leader) that the canvassers find it difficult to present a coherent case when knocking on doors.

I don't believe that Angela Eagle is the best the Labour Party has, because there are some very talented backbenchers, but I can understand why they'd be reluctant to stand at the moment.

Angela's constituency is to hold a vote of no confidence in her later this month . So against Corbyns appeal to the party to come together, I expect he will remind them of this

obieone, no point in anyone signing up quickly to vote, no one who signed up after January will have a vote in the leadership contest . I wish I could sympathise with momentum they have been frantically getting people to join up this year to vote, but I cannot sympathise with cults

Yes I did mean Owen Smith Eleothan, i can always rely on you to correct my errors

I think you mean Owen Smith don't you Anniebach? Owen Jones is a young journalist and the writer of "Chavs: the Demonisation of the Working Class" and "The Establishment".

Possibly the reason why no-one pursued de-selection of those MPs who voted in favour of the Iraq invasion was that many people believed the "evidence" of weapons of mass destruction. I went to the London demonstration with a friend of mine and on the way home on the tube, having seen our "No War" badges, we were surrounded and intimidated by a bunch of really brave men who called us "traitors", "do-gooders" and "bleeding heart commies". Despite the fact that millions of people demonstrated, there were also millions of people who believed what they had been told. Many of the MPs also believed what they were told (although a few were more sceptical and a very few decided to brave it out and vote against), so I guess most people gave the MPs who voted in favour the benefit of the doubt.

Many of the MPs who are trying to get Corbyn out are not supported by their Labour Party constituency members - so they are deliberately going against the wishes of the people who are actually part of the party and who contribute to Labour Party funds.

I say again that if people feel strongly about the direction in which the Labour Party is going, they should join the party and make their voices heard. If they are not bothered enough to do that, they shouldn't try to silence the opinions and negate the votes of those people who are bothered to do it.

Now, what's 60% of 370,670
about 222,400?

of course, other non-LP-party-members who are supporters may be available as they say

Interesting Jalima and thank you - I don't 'do' maths [ smile]

Oh hell, another election to get campaigning on , this will be the fifth in one and half years

To put it in perspective:
9,347,304 people voted for Labour in the last GE
circa 370,670 people were members of the Labour Party at the time of the last leadership election.
60% of those voted for Jeremy Corbyn

Out of the 9,347,304 labour voters, 60% of 370,670 seems quite a small minority of total Labour voters.
Of course, he could have other supporters amongst the voters who are not LP members.

But I would have thought, as Eloethan says, that it could partly wake up some Labour mainstream supporters who were not members previously, to sign up very quickly. No idea whether it would be enough of them though.

x post AB sorry

I just heard that the £3 supporters will not be able to vote unless they pay £25 in the next two days - presumably for full membership. Also no one who joined after February will be able to vote. I may have got that wrong as they didn't give any detail.

I wonder how many £3 supporters will pay their £25 just to vote Corbyn because they are annoyed about this bit of manoeuvring.

This will be interesting , the £3 voters who joined after February will not be given a vote, surely there will be no complaints because they chose to join the labour party they didn't have their arms twisted

I do not presume to know what every voter thinks Gracesgran , I post my own opinions. I respect the opinions of all even if I disagree

Is it not strange so many people in the country were against the Iraq war , the majority of the house voted for the war yet not one MP was deselected , yet there is now calls for MP's who do not support Corbyn to be so.

Thank you for that Devorgilla.

I was starting to think that people who may not have the Labour Party's best interests at heart, could end up having quite a big say about the outcome of the leader.

It seems to me there are at least two views of "the party" AB. You are strongly backing one of them but I presume you are not saying that every Labour member does.

Yes it is the end of a Labour Party who could hope to form a government

when what trisher ?

Well he's got the vote of the NEC. I think its curtains for the Labour Party as it is at the moment

When Anniebach? When?

trisher, they do have ways of checking but they are not foolproof. Of the £3 pounders last time quite a few were denied membership and therefore voting rights because they had other clear cut allegiances - e.g. they were sitting as LibDem or Tory councillors. It is a very time consuming process to go through them all and you have to have a fair minded body of people doing it, not just ones who want to weed out their opposition. People can change their minds about which party they want to be a member of but most parties put them on an unofficial probationary period to see how committed they are.
Well, let us hope that all the £3 joiners are committed Labour Party members who will judge each candidate on their merits, past record both in Parliament and their constituency and not just deselect them because they have been given a list of 'safe' names. And yes, that does happen. The kids I taught at school would ask "Did they tell you to jump and you said how high?" I have no problem with people joining as long as they are thinking, fair minded people and not blindly following someone else's agenda. When we had the leadership contest last time I attended hustings and read the literature etc. I didn't vote just because the media had hyped up one person.

Trisher, he said he would take it to the courts if he wasn't on the ballot paper , I cannot guava credence to a hypocrite,